Service degradation on Microsoft 365 (status.cloud.microsoft)

443 pointsby dkpk6 hours ago421 comments
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-13/microsoft-outage-affe...

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1xuje83/microsoft...

https://downdetector.com/status/microsoft-365/

beowulfey 4 hours ago

Copied this from my post in the other thread:

The Status page is not working well, but I managed to subscribe to their RSS feed and it has been sending out updates periodically. I'll post some of them here.

9:02 PM UTC: We've validated an alternative health check method on a subset of affected infrastructure, which allowed the servers in that subset to successfully return to service, and we're now applying this change more broadly. We're also preparing an automated recovery process to continually detect and restart unresponsive servers, to help keep them in service while this change progresses. Additionally, our review of recent changes has identified a small number of configuration updates that we're investigating as potential contributors to the issue.

Previous status: While validating the targeted change, we found that many of the affected servers have become unresponsive, which is preventing us from confirming whether the change is effective. We're restarting these servers so they can come back online with the change in place, and we're applying the same approach to additional affected portions of our infrastructure to validate the results more broadly.

8:52 PM UTC: While validating the targeted change, we found that many of the affected servers have become unresponsive, which is preventing us from confirming whether the change is effective. We're restarting these servers so they can come back online with the change in place, and we're applying the same approach to additional affected portions of our infrastructure to validate the results more broadly.

Previous Status: While we haven't identified any recent changes that correlate with the start of impact, our investigation indicates the failed health checks may originate from a specific component on the affected servers that's responsible for processing them. We're deploying a targeted change to bypass this component on a subset of servers to validate whether this restores availability, and we've taken steps to prevent additional servers from being removed from service while we work to return the affected servers to service. We're also investigating why affected servers are experiencing elevated processor usage while handling requests.

7:52 PM UTC: We've identified that affected servers are failing automated health checks, which is causing them to become unavailable, and this may be related to a recent change to a component involved in processing those checks. We're testing a configuration change on a subset of affected infrastructure to address this and, if successful, will apply it more broadly. In parallel, we've initiated a restart of all affected servers and are validating whether they're successfully returning to service.

7:30 PM UTC: We're aggressively pursuing all pathways to reduce impact. As a precaution, we've paused all deployments and configuration changes while we review recent changes for any correlation to this event. We've determined that the elevated load isn't driven by an overall increase in traffic, but by a large number of servers being unexpectedly unavailable, which is shifting load onto the remaining infrastructure. We're investigating what's causing these servers to become unavailable while we work to safely return them to service.

7:16 PM UTC: We're aggressively pursuing all pathways to reduce impact. As a precaution, we've paused all deployments and configuration changes while we review recent changes for any correlation to this event. We've also moved traffic for some services off the affected infrastructure to further reduce load, with additional traffic moves in progress.

6:59 PM UTC: We've completed redistributing connection traffic across our worldwide infrastructure, and we're moving additional traffic off the affected infrastructure to further reduce load. We're also restarting affected servers to return them to service. In parallel, we're investigating whether the elevated traffic reflects a genuine increase in requests or a shift in how traffic is being routed across our infrastructure.

wmchen 4 hours ago

Not really a big deal, but it is presently 8pm UTC time. I'm curious why their RSS feed seems to be 2 hours off?

beowulfey 4 hours ago

Ah no that was a mistake on my part! RSS Feed was in EST and I misremembered the difference

ArcHound 4 hours ago

They are turning it off and on again. I don't even. If this works, our industry is cooked as the kids say.

justonceokay 4 hours ago

In maintenance, sometimes the dumb solution is the best. The servers that ran amazon.com had a memory leak and were subsequently restarted. This hack continues for years because it was the most cost-effective thing to do.

Put another way, if they didn’t turn it off and on again, I would think less of them because that’s the first thing you should always do unless you know better

jimmaswell 4 hours ago

I suppose you might want to first rule out a break-in, and if there is one, recover evidence that won't survive a reboot.

onefiftymike 4 hours ago

I worked on multi-million dollar airplanes. If a pilot called me with an issue and hadn't rebooted the plane (on the ground), I wouldn't even talk to them. Rebooting isn't always a bad solution to technology.

ArcHound 4 hours ago

It's not a bad solution, it definitely should be tried. But I'm still rather shocked to see it in official notes, especially this "late" in the timeline.

mapontosevenths 3 hours ago

It's not a solution at all. It's a symptom.

taftster 31 minutes ago

(on the ground) is probably pretty key, though. Ha ha. I can imagine the conversation if this was in the air.

bawolff 4 hours ago

Amateur hour. Everyone knows professionals say "power cycling" instead to make it sound complicated.

red-iron-pine 2 hours ago

the layman understands both of those words and their meaning together.

we "bounce" the servers when on calls with customers.

icameron an hour ago

Powercycling is a designed method to bailout Cisco routers. If you botch a configuration command and lose connection, you can have someone powercycle it to restore you last good configuration. Its not just a joke it really works more often than I'd like to admit.

martinald 4 hours ago

Absolutely bizarre wording of these updates. Strangest corporate speak with urgency turned up to the max.

red-iron-pine 2 hours ago

copilot, make this doom and gloom situation sound better. assume you're using the voice of a friendly but intensely focused sysadmin. use only neutral language.

dudus 4 hours ago

So the servers are ok but many of the health checks are failing and so the servers are taken off rotation, increasing load on other servers. I'm sure it's more complicated than it seems but from my POV this looks like amateur hour at Microsoft.

6031769 4 hours ago

At Microsoft every hour is amateur hour.

bradleyjg 3 hours ago

Don’t worry, I’m sure it’ll get better after they layoff 60,000 people.

ahartmetz an hour ago

Don't worry, their replacements will receive very clear instructions instructing them to make no mistakes.

mapontosevenths 3 hours ago

I'm not thrilled with what they've done to Windows lately myself, but this is just rude.

You know a lot of talented people who work there also post here, and it's not fair to insinuate that they aren't talented because some vastly complex system somewhere in the world had a bad day.

Stuff happens, things break. That's why lots of nines cost a lot of money. It doesn't automatically mean that anyone is incompetent.

fyrabanks 2 hours ago

i agree with everything you said here except the last part.

lots of nines means not having significant downtime. we passed 99.99% hours ago, and we're on the way to 99.9%

codingdave 31 minutes ago

Lots of nines means they have SLAs of no significant downtime. It does not guarantee that the SLAs can never be missed, just that there will be consequences when it is missed. Lawyers and accountants and sales folks will sort out the compensation payments that come back to the customers and try to negotiate relationships back to a healthy state.

ifwinterco 2 hours ago

Stuff happens and things break everywhere but right now at Microsoft they break badly and often, that points to actual issues.

Almost certainly not the fault of individual people, it's a management failure of course

zmgsabst an hour ago

There are lots of talented amateurs. What separates professionals is standards, quality, teamwork, etc.

I agree there are many talented people at Microsoft, but I don’t see the professionalism in this incident.

eddythompson80 an hour ago

Individual talent is irrelevant when you have a company culture that rewards the opposite of that. Any talented person working at Microsoft knows that they are dealing with structural problem that force MS products to be massive piles of shit. There isn't much an talented individual can do about that.

steve1977 4 hours ago

Copilot hour!

semiquaver 3 hours ago

The people writing these updates are very obviously not technical and are least one step removed from the actual work being done to fix this.

EvanAnderson 2 hours ago

To be fair: I want the people who can speak most competently to a problem to be working on it versus writing commentary. Those highly-technical people can shine in the postmortem report.

skeeter2020 2 hours ago

I disagree; the communication aspects - including external - are a hugely important part of any incident response. IME the biggest challenges in these situations are the many levels & combinations of communication and coordination. You don't need your best DevOps person doing it, but there should be plenty of competent technical product managers or engineering managers who could do this well.

codingdave 2 hours ago

And that is a good thing. Well, maybe not good. But the last thing you need in a crisis is to pull people away from fixing the problem and make them type up status updates. Admittedly, having tech knowledge would help the writers - a technical incident management team would be better. But ain't nothing wrong with letting the PR folks write up words while the tech folk work on problem solving.

Actual tech write-ups can come later.

shermantanktop 2 hours ago

Amateur hour? Not sure if you've lived through one of these cascading failures, but they are hard to design against, hard to load/chaos test for, and hard to recover from. The key is that this is a dynamic load, not a static load; and it's normally amplified by uncontrolled retry behavior by clients.

In retrospect, the cause and cure are obvious to everyone.

infamouscow an hour ago

Many of us insist upon not building Rube Goldberg machines that cannot be reasoned about precisely for this reason.

Most of the time we get demonized by resume-driven developers job-hopping every few years (seems like the lack of deep expertise is working out). Today we get to laugh at their expense. These problems were entirely foreseeable and avoidable.

Den_VR an hour ago

> building Rube Goldberg machines that cannot be reasoned about

What a great phrase!, can I use that in conversation?

llama052 an hour ago

Except for the fact that it seems like most Microsoft outages are self owns. I'm not sure how many times we've had outages due to bad deployments that somehow made it to their global infrastructure and only got noticed when customers notified.

Plenty of internal accounts from previous employees highlight this.

burningChrome 2 hours ago

This sounds suspiciously what occurred when I was working at a large motor sports company. We had a major release of new year models coming out on the website. The deployment went super smooth and then in about 30 mins the site was crashing. Since we were a huge MS client, almost everything we ran was all MS top to bottom.

Site was taken offline, war rooms ensued. 48 hours later, an Ops team from Redmond was flown out. Another three days and they determined it was several legacy servers were going down and the load balancing servers were getting hit so hard, they also failed. It was a cascading effect that killed everything.

CIO was pissed. The company got absolutely lit up on every social media channel for their ineptitude. The CIO vowed it would never happen again, they were upgrading the entire network and infrastructure to avoid it happening again. Fast forward six months to the next major release. Same thing, same panic, same cascading failures because servers were collapsing under the traffic to the website. Another war room, another Ops team flies out. Two days later they figured out it was some buggy code that was causing it.

This after 8 rounds of load balancing testing to the tune of 10X the amount of traffic the site sees on these major release dates without so much as a hiccup.

I left two months later, but the overall feeling was the same - total amateur hour from Microsoft after our company was gifted major discounts to go all in with their hardware & network gear. The company found out the hard way it wasn't a smart decision.

The scary part was this some 20 years ago - seems like not much has changed considering how frequently Github is down now too.

mminer237 an hour ago

Newest update says that wasn't the issue after all. They say relatively small loads are actually causing servers to become unresponsive and have to be restarted.

They still don't know why this "core process" is maxing out the processor for no reason.

NoPicklez 41 minutes ago

I can't stand it when I see armchair analysts making claims like this.

I'm sure it's more complicated than that.... but from my POV, which is extremely limited and informed by what others online tell me.... that this is amateur hour

What would it take for it to be professional hour?

jenimac926 4 hours ago

They rolled back the 7:52 UTC update to the 730 one now....guess it didnt work

no-dr-onboard 4 hours ago

This is like getting transmissions from Cassini before it falls into saturn.

hammock 2 hours ago

Why is there not a single mention that this could be a cyberattack? Is the issue only affecting the USA?

lazyasciiart an hour ago

No, my family is in Europe and Australia and also seeing it.

elmo2you an hour ago

Nope. Europe (eastern) for sure included too.

Angostura 23 minutes ago

UK seeing it

outworlder an hour ago

Because there's no indications that it is the case, at least for the time being.

testrun 37 minutes ago

Australia affected as well.

EvanAnderson 4 hours ago

I feel bad for the people working on this. It sounds like desperation is increasing.

From the 10:11:39 PM UTC update:

Current status: We're continuing to pursue all available pathways to restore service, as our actions taken thus far have not provided the anticipated relief. Our investigation has found that a core process on the affected servers is becoming overwhelmed, which causes the servers to stop responding and contributes to the capacity loss.

To validate a potential recovery approach, we're fully isolating a portion of our service infrastructure, restarting the affected components, and gradually reintroducing traffic to confirm our services remain stable before applying this approach more broadly. We're also analyzing traffic patterns across our entire service infrastructure and evaluating whether isolating traffic within each region may allow affected regions to recover independently.

From the 9:41:46 PM UTC update:

Current status: We're continuing to work through restarting and validating the affected servers to safely return them to service, and we're exploring opportunities to expedite this process. In parallel, we're assessing whether reverting the small number of recent configuration updates we identified could help accelerate recovery.

From the 9:01:14 PM UTC update:

Current status: We've validated an alternative health check method on a subset of affected infrastructure, which allowed the servers in that subset to successfully return to service, and we're now applying this change more broadly. We're also preparing an automated recovery process to continually detect and restart unresponsive servers, to help keep them in service while this change progresses. Additionally, our review of recent changes has identified a small number of configuration updates that we're investigating as potential contributors to the issue.

From the 8:44 PM UTC update:

Current status: While validating the targeted change, we found that many of the affected servers have become unresponsive, which is preventing us from confirming whether the change is effective. We're restarting these servers so they can come back online with the change in place, and we're applying the same approach to additional affected portions of our infrastructure to validate the results more broadly.

Previous Status: While we haven't identified any recent changes that correlate with the start of impact, our investigation indicates the failed health checks may originate from a specific component on the affected servers that's responsible for processing them. We're deploying a targeted change to bypass this component on a subset of servers to validate whether this restores availability, and we've taken steps to prevent additional servers from being removed from service while we work to return the affected servers to service. We're also investigating why affected servers are experiencing elevated processor usage while handling requests.

eddythompson80 2 hours ago

they are furiously typing at their agents hoping they can figure out what to do. Getting glimps of hope everytime claude says "I found it." only for their hopes to be crused at "Turns out ...". The clown show at Microsoft is surreal.

Rantenki an hour ago

I suspect that they are not. Copilot is also down :O

fock 2 hours ago

their employer brought me agent swarms supposed to take over my php-serving machines. whatever this is, I don't feel sorry for them.

piker an hour ago

So the thundering herd wins again

reaperducer an hour ago

Ugh. There's some yahoo from NewsNation on WGN Radio right now saying this is because of the Chinese, and obliquely linking it to Nvidia.

Reddit-level speculation.

llama052 an hour ago

My girlfriends work she is hearing this from office employees. Kind of scary how much the public gets wrong.

EvanAnderson an hour ago

Working in reverse-chronological order here:

So much for seeming hopeful.

From the 12:08:53 AM UTC update:

Current status: While the servers we've returned to service initially remain healthy, we've observed that they can become unresponsive again once they begin receiving traffic. We're analyzing diagnostic data from these servers with our networking and platform experts to determine what's triggering this behavior.

Building on the protective traffic management measures we've implemented, we're also temporarily limiting which types of traffic can reach the affected infrastructure in specific locations. This will help us determine whether a particular type of request is contributing to the impact and allow us to restore service incrementally. Additionally, we're rebuilding a subset of affected servers using a previous software configuration to validate whether this prevents them from becoming unresponsive, and we'll expand this approach to additional servers if we observe positive results.

The 11:05:31 PM UTC update is is the first since the outage began that feels hopeful.

From the 11:06:31 PM UTC update:

Current status: We've begun returning a portion of the affected servers to service, and they're remaining stable so far. We've also shifted traffic and connections to alternative pathways wherever possible and have observed limited recovery in some regions.

We've streamlined our recovery process to expedite returning the remaining affected servers to service. To further support recovery, we're implementing protective traffic management measures in a specific location to reduce load on the affected infrastructure, and we'll expand these measures to additional locations if we observe positive results. As capacity is restored, users may experience a gradual recovery as their clients reconnect to the service.

matt3210 44 minutes ago

Sounds like nobody knows how their own systems work anymore.

ajdude 31 minutes ago

That's because it's all ai

Eji1700 an hour ago

Day 12: It has been 3 days since the last ping returned, I fear I will not make it back to my family. Give my love to dear Liza.

I feel for those stuck in there. The outage going on for this long has got to be fucking brutal.

tatersolid an hour ago

My last email was received at 5.5 hours ago. Teams chat and meetings are the only thing in Microsoft 365 that seem to be working. All our Azure infrastructure seems fine so this is something 365-specific.

Everyone has occasional outages but this is the worst 365 outage our org has seen since starting with M365 in 2019.

pwarner 7 minutes ago

2018 featured a bad one. Couldn't find a good article, but I remember it being basically all day.

https://redmondmag.com/articles/2018/09/11/microsoft-explain...

soundworlds 3 hours ago

Update from Microsoft: "We've validated an alternative health check method on a subset of affected infrastructure, which allowed the servers in that subset to successfully return to service, and we're now applying this change more broadly.

"We're also preparing an automated recovery process to continually detect and restart unresponsive servers, to help keep them in service while this change progresses."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-11-13/microsoft-outage-affe...

Rantenki 2 hours ago

Update as of 10 minutes ago implies that didn't work:

> Current status: We’re continuing to pursue all available pathways to restore service, as our actions taken thus far have not provided the anticipated relief. Our investigation has found that a core process on the affected servers is becoming overwhelmed, which causes the servers to stop responding and contributes to the capacity loss.

cgio an hour ago

So health checks were correct… this solution of silencing the first symptom is probably just adding to the problem. I am afraid they may be opening the door for the fire trucks and getting some other kind of intrusion instead. Better they shut it down for day and do proper fix.

EvanAnderson 2 hours ago

The 12:08:53 AM UTC update is much less hopeful:

Current status: While the servers we've returned to service initially remain healthy, we've observed that they can become unresponsive again once they begin receiving traffic. We're analyzing diagnostic data from these servers with our networking and platform experts to determine what's triggering this behavior.

Building on the protective traffic management measures we've implemented, we're also temporarily limiting which types of traffic can reach the affected infrastructure in specific locations. This will help us determine whether a particular type of request is contributing to the impact and allow us to restore service incrementally. Additionally, we're rebuilding a subset of affected servers using a previous software configuration to validate whether this prevents them from becoming unresponsive, and we'll expand this approach to additional servers if we observe positive results.

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The 11:05:31 PM UTC update is is the first since the outage began that feels hopeful.

From the 11:06:31 PM UTC update:

Current status: We've begun returning a portion of the affected servers to service, and they're remaining stable so far. We've also shifted traffic and connections to alternative pathways wherever possible and have observed limited recovery in some regions.

We've streamlined our recovery process to expedite returning the remaining affected servers to service. To further support recovery, we're implementing protective traffic management measures in a specific location to reduce load on the affected infrastructure, and we'll expand these measures to additional locations if we observe positive results. As capacity is restored, users may experience a gradual recovery as their clients reconnect to the service.

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The 10:11:39 PM UTC update is a little chilling. They don't know why what's happening is happening so they're doing experiments.

I do that with closed-source software when I don't want to bother trying reverse engineer it, but these guys have the code! Yikes.

I recognize that even w/ the code available there are likely behaviors that aren't likely to be anticipated because of the scale of traffic. Complex systems fail in complex and non-intuitive ways.

From the 10:11:39 PM UTC update:

Current status: We're continuing to pursue all available pathways to restore service, as our actions taken thus far have not provided the anticipated relief. Our investigation has found that a core process on the affected servers is becoming overwhelmed, which causes the servers to stop responding and contributes to the capacity loss.

To validate a potential recovery approach, we're fully isolating a portion of our service infrastructure, restarting the affected components, and gradually reintroducing traffic to confirm our services remain stable before applying this approach more broadly. We're also analyzing traffic patterns across our entire service infrastructure and evaluating whether isolating traffic within each region may allow affected regions to recover independently.

jp191919 2 hours ago

Not exactly confidence inspiring.

BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago

> these guys have the code!

But maybe don't understand it because they didn't write it themselves?

LadyCailin 2 hours ago

The one guy that did understand the code took VEO, and isn’t answering his phone right now.

BLKNSLVR an hour ago

1. Life imitate Art

2. Art imitate Life

3. Goto 1

https://youtu.be/3TNpOD6bov8

Angostura 6 minutes ago

Thank you for introducing me to this

ifwinterco 2 hours ago

The code by itself doesn't tell you how the various components of a complex distributed system interact in a failure condition with clients hammering retries.

I mean it sort of does if you know the whole system inside and out and have the ability to reason about it, but just having the code for each component doesn't by itself solve the real problem of understanding

k_sze 4 hours ago

And I can't reach my self-hosted mail server in the Outlook desktop app because of this.

For reasons that I cannot fathom, Microsoft wants to act as the relay to my self-hosted e-mail account, if I add the account in Outlook.

Telemakhos 4 hours ago

> For reasons that I cannot fathom, Microsoft wants to act as the relay to my self-hosted e-mail account

I can conjecture some reasons. Datamining would be high on the list, since MS can read your mail and thus market to you more effectively. Governments might also be happier if MS can provide them with one-stop access (like Prism) to otherwise self-hosted e-mail accounts proxied through a central server.

kspacewalk2 4 hours ago

Or, you know, similar reasons as why people use Cloudflare as a reverse proxy.

taftster 26 minutes ago

I would strongly doubt (though not completely rule out) that Microsoft is reading your personal mail hosted on your personal mail server. Like what would that even look like, their IMAP client is forwarding email to headquarters?

BUT, more likely, it's some sort of "check in" or "dial home" feature that isn't working. Or plausibly, maybe they count "local user checked email" and their analytics endpoint is down.

Regardless, it's definitely surprising that a traditional desktop application would be blocking when only polling from local/trusted data sources.

ActionHank 4 hours ago

This is your own fault for using their BS app.

rstupek 4 hours ago

"New" Outlook does route all traffic through Microsoft servers. I assume it's so you can get a "unified" mail look on all your devices (phone, etc), but likely a nice source of data mining

brokenmachine 2 hours ago

And I hope all of us have learned a valuable lesson.

BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago

Personally, I can't reconcile having a self-hosted email server and using Outlook to access said email.

I'm being an ass in saying this, because I'm aware human motivation is a beautiful kaleidoscope of variables, but I would have guessed at the venn diagram of 'those willing to compromise and use a Microsoft product' is mutually exclusive with that of the 'I'm hardcore enough to self-host email'.

I will say, however, that Outlook used to be one of the better desktop email programs, so I'll grant some legacy lenience.

amanaplanacanal an hour ago

What's your preferred email client? Just wondering what other people are using.

BLKNSLVR an hour ago

I use FairEmail on Android, which aggregates both my Gmail and self-hosted accounts.

I use Gmail's web interface for my Gmail account (which, I'll admit, makes my little rant above more than a little hypocritical)

And in my self hosted email setup I use RoundCube (web interface).

janfoeh an hour ago

> (which, I'll admit, makes my little rant above more than a little hypocritical)

Na, that would simply be the kaleidoscope part you mentioned, wouldn't it? For what it's worth, I found the combination just as peculiar as you did.

SSLy an hour ago

Best one I've ever used was Fastmail's web mail. But it's locked to their platform, so yeah.

post-it an hour ago

Mac/iOS Mail is pretty lightweight. I used to use Thunderbird on Linux.

prepend 27 minutes ago

Surprisingly, Mac mail is a really nice client. It reminds me of how quick eudora was back in the day.

andyfilms1 36 minutes ago

EmClient, Mailcraft

zalebz 29 minutes ago

eM Client for various M365 and IMAP accounts. ElectronMail for the 9 ProtonMail accounts I have (allows "tabs" for each account in one client).

lousken 44 minutes ago

outlook 2010 works just fine

noAnswer 9 minutes ago

> For reasons that I cannot fathom

Biggest data heist and most obvious US intelligence operation in human history. I can't fathom why AVs don't treat "Outlook New" as info stealer malware.

emschwartz 5 hours ago

I'm amazed to see so many services down and to see that Github and Github actions are still working

rvz 5 hours ago

For now.

One of GitHub's services will be down again by next week.

mook 4 hours ago

Well, my mac CI runs aren't being picked up, and they eventually fail because of it. So maybe wherever connects the orchestrator to the machines is having issues.

emschwartz 4 hours ago

I spoke too soon!

piker 3 hours ago

So basically business as usual with the mac runners, right?

throooooo 20 minutes ago

I was gonna say. This happens to my Mac jobs on a normal basis.

dist-epoch 3 hours ago

Round robin. Github Actions were down yesterday.

shdjhdfh an hour ago

GitHub infrastructure is for the most part completely separate from anything at Microsoft, other than using Azure.

dingaling911 9 minutes ago

Every third build is failing for me failing to publish test results.

nazgulsenpai 6 hours ago

> Current status: We’re investigating an issue impacting multiple Microsoft 365 services and we've determined the affected infrastructure is experiencing elevated load across multiple regions, which is likely contributing to the connectivity errors. We're restarting and repairing impacted portions of this infrastructure to restore capacity, and reviewing an unexpected increase in a specific type of service traffic to determine whether it's contributing to the elevated load. In parallel, we're evaluating options to redirect traffic to alternate infrastructure to expedite relief.

DDOS?

iAMkenough 6 hours ago

Too many AI agents connecting at once?

nazgulsenpai 5 hours ago

sam altman needs a big headline to shore up AI funding

millerm 5 hours ago

Perhaps they will attempt to "conscript" all of our RAM.

FranOntanaya 5 hours ago

Maybe people trying to catch the next Nvidia headline ahead of everyone else, wherever it may be found in (likely someone's inbox.)

Edit: Oh, there it is.

gloosx 5 hours ago

isn't Microsoft 365 called Copilot now?

bix6 5 hours ago

It’s actually O365 by Microsoft featuring Copilot by Bill Gates.

datadrivenangel 5 hours ago

The Copilot O365 Gates, Bill G==B signature box

ingen0s 4 hours ago

lol

isomorphic 4 hours ago

At this point Microsoft would be better off using Copilot to brand itself.

card_zero 4 hours ago

Recursive self-promotion.

cidd 3 hours ago

A Silicon Valley reference.

rawbee1989 3 hours ago

no, Copilot and Copilot Premium are products on the M365 platform, copilot is down too

ahartmetz an hour ago

Surely you mean Microsoft Copilot Premium for Copilot for M365 for Copilot.

For Copilot.

bitteralmond 5 hours ago

My guess: too many DC resources dedicated to AI, leaving insufficient free capacity to handle traffic spikes

nazgulsenpai 4 hours ago

I laughed then realized this is plausible

cozzyd an hour ago

And then they're probably trying to debug with their AI which isn't helping.

bombcar 5 hours ago

>reviewing an unexpected increase in a specific type of service traffic to determine whether it's contributing to the elevated load

This seems to be the smoking gnu, now what would it be ...

reaperducer 4 hours ago

This seems to be the smoking gnu, now what would it be ...

I saw a frog smoking on The Little Rascals once, but never a gnu.

stn8188 3 hours ago

At first I thought you meant the traffic increase had something to do with free software :/

cuu508 3 hours ago

Certainy not Unix!

junga 2 hours ago

CNU?

BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago

I'd like to think that The Smoking Gnu was a competitor publication to The Lone Gunmen.

(I've recently been revisiting the X-Files. Can recommend.)

berkeleyjunk an hour ago

I think you would probably also like the spinoff “The lone gunmen”. Pity it was only one season.

BLKNSLVR an hour ago

Yeah, once I'm done with X-Files it'll be next on the list. Seems there are those who love it and those who really don't, and not much in between.

anvuong 5 hours ago

If Outlook can go down because of DDOS then it's a much worse problem.

canibalrex 3 hours ago

If it would go away from a DDOS that would be a much better solution.

lossolo 4 hours ago

Probably self inflicted by some code change, as they mention "specific type of service traffic".

EDIT: Seems like now they confirmed that: "We've identified that affected servers are failing automated health checks, which is causing them to become unavailable, and this may be related to a recent change to a component involved in processing those checks. We're testing a configuration change on a subset of affected infrastructure to address this and, if successful, will apply it more broadly. In parallel, we've initiated a restart of all affected servers and are validating whether they're successfully returning to service."

esseph 4 hours ago

Microsoft 365 Status

@MSFT365Status

16m

We've not identified any recent change correlated with the start of impact; however, our investigation indicates the failed health checks may originate from a specific component that's responsible for processing server health. We've taken steps to prevent additional servers from being impacted while we work to return the affected servers to service. More info under EX1550543 and MO1550821 in the Microsoft 365 admin center, as well as status.cloud.microsoft if the admin center is not available to you.

kabdib 3 hours ago

Is this a case of "who shall healthcheck the health checker?"

drillsteps5 2 hours ago

Currently (17:22EST):

> Previous status: We're continuing to work through restarting and validating the affected servers to safely return them to service, and we're exploring opportunities to expedite this process. In parallel, we're assessing whether reverting the small number of recent configuration updates we identified could help accelerate recovery.

If failures started at some point in time then something must have changed just prior to that. If no changes in traffic were detected (no DDOS) then it must have been a change, be it code or config. Duuuh.

esseph an hour ago

> then something must have changed just prior to that

Not at all, they could have simply hit an unexpected behavior for their infra they hadn't seen, tested, or expected before. Global scale infra gets very, very complex, and tbh this is Microsoft... they're not very good at it.

drillsteps5 33 minutes ago

Unexpected behavior doesn't happen out of the blue, it's not LLM, these are deterministic systems. It's usually config change or code change, not necessarily in the component that's misbehaving, but it is somewhere.

More often than not, it's DNS :)

esseph 13 minutes ago

[delayed]

MadrasTh0rn 4 hours ago

Reminds me of this https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulat...

browningstreet 2 hours ago

Nah, just a "Reply-All" chain at NVDA...

cortesoft an hour ago

As someone who worked in infrastructure for a large global CDN, this sort of overload issues happen all the time when trying to bring infrastructure back online after an issue.

First, you have every client retrying connections, whether automated or manual retries. This generates extra load over normal.

In addition, whichever systems come online first often get a ton of traffic sent to them, which can immediately bring them back down if you don't have ways to prevent it. You will get a wave of systems coming back online, a ton of traffic hitting them, and then falling over again.

Now, I am sure Microsoft is used to this and has procedures and systems in place to mitigate the issues (I know we did).

However, sometimes if the right combination of services are failing, even the strategies you had to avoid this sort of failure can themselves fail.

Waterluvian 14 minutes ago

I know it’s not actually that easy but don’t they just have some gateway that’s rejecting 100% of requests and they very gently lower that intentional rejection percentage over time?

sonicrocketman 6 hours ago

Down detector shows like everything is down. AWS, Azure, Office, Gmail. Everything. https://downdetector.com

marcosdumay 6 hours ago

Teams is working!

Or, rather, it's acting like it usually does.

tsherb 5 hours ago

Right - don't get too ambitious! :D

function_seven 5 hours ago

Yup. I just tried to search my chats for a specific phrase. It came back with nothing, even though I know I used it in a recent conversation.

I just assumed it was Teams being Teams.

ratelimitsteve 5 hours ago

Teams: Either It's Working, Or You Are

hinkley 5 hours ago

Remember when Teams ate cellphone batteries like candy? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

com2kid 5 hours ago

I remember the first version of office communicator, that when installed, left you with about 6hrs of phone battery.

Back on Window Mobile 6.1.

Battery life usage quickly improved. :)

marcosdumay 5 hours ago

Funny thing is that my work's VPN that uses the MS authenticator just quit, immediately after I made that comment. So you are even more correct than usual.

burningChrome 4 hours ago

I asked someone in our teams meeting if they were having issues with their outlook today. What followed was a 5 minute hate fest on outlook. I'm not a big fan, but was kind of surprised so many people genuinely hate it.

abirch 4 hours ago

If you could create a real world Outlook, it'd become the new Office Space fax machine.

Khaine an hour ago

The new version which is a skinned web browser is terrible

notatoad 5 hours ago

down detector always looks like this during big cloud service outages. i think partly because people don't actually know what services they're using and report wrong things, and partly because downdetector parses social media posts like "outlook is down but gmail still works" as outlook and gmail both being down.

fmbb 5 hours ago

Not GitHub!

coldbrewed 4 hours ago

As luck would have it GitHub sign-ups are down https://www.githubstatus.com/incidents/nwbjzl7nfrc2

midas89 5 hours ago

I work in IT and people are complaining about Atlassian and about AWS but in reality if your organization is using SSO then that would get impacted.

If your org is using Intune or Defender EDR then you probably also are impacted.

jwnin 2 hours ago

Entra is not impacted, SSO is working for non-M365 apps.

peanut-walrus 4 hours ago

Downdetector does not measure service availability. It's more of a vibes thing.

cwillu 4 hours ago

Downdetector is a survey, not a detector, and suffers from user confusion when a high-profile service is actually down, as users start reporting unrelated things

hunter2_ 3 hours ago

Especially when looking constitutes reporting (Schrödinger's downdetector?) and people look at everything after showing up for one thing.

kube-system 2 hours ago

It also suffers from people reporting functionally related (but not technical related) things.

Any other service that interacts with Outlook in some way will create downstream effects in other services expecting Outlook to work normally.

game_the0ry 4 hours ago

Got notification at work the MS 360 services were offline or degraded and the company was working with MS to fix the problem.

Lamest tech company imo. Why dont you lay off some more staff, Satya, maybe that will fix the problem.

icameron an hour ago

Yeah every IT dept is sending out that notification. Someone replied with 'When do you expect it to be back online?" to which I LOL emoted at the moment. I think I'm a jerk. But how can you ask such a question- as if they planned a time to restore services and aren't working to restore it as quickly as possible?

dkpk 6 hours ago

Here's the Reddit post with discussions around this: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1xuje83/microsoft...

sonicrocketman 6 hours ago

Downdetector says LOTS of stuff is down. https://downdetector.com

SomeonesAccount 6 hours ago

Damn. That is crazy. The curve kinda looks like the curve that happens every november to the Google searches of "all I want for christmas is you"

Icathian 6 hours ago

Downdetector's methodology is pretty garbage. I'm always surprised to see techies referencing them.

sonicrocketman 6 hours ago

It's something to reference. My view is that it's better than "doesn't load for me".

marifjeren 5 hours ago

What's your preferred alternative?

Icathian 5 hours ago

The snarky but honest response is HackerNews/Reddit. But if you're trying for something that actually checks the sites you point it at instead of relying on users reporting "issues", a buddy of mine runs https://onlineornot.com/ and it seems generally more reliable.

ceejayoz 5 hours ago

Back in the golden days you could just go to search.twitter.com, search "AWS", and sort by recent.

pacoWebConsult 5 hours ago

Still can. AWS Status pages are still terrible. See HN for the outage a year ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45640838

ceejayoz 5 hours ago

> Still can.

No. It requires an account now, and they did away with the recent posts firehose.

krazydad 5 hours ago

"Start Free Trial" -- uh, no thanks. You seem skeptical of crowd sourcing. Enjoy your Encyclopedia Brittanica.

andrewinardeer 5 hours ago

Ping?

dymk 5 hours ago

Apparently Outlook, Gmail, etc are all working on the server at 192.168.1.1 then - ping says it's responding just fine

tristor 5 hours ago

Full Disclosure, this is a Cisco product and I work there.

ThousandEyes Internet Insights offers a public outage map at https://www.thousandeyes.com/outages/ that is MASSIVELY more accurate (and faster to detect) than Down Detector because its based on actual telemetry and not on crowdsourcing.

MadrasTh0rn 4 hours ago

Thank you for the recommendation!

They indicate sharepoint is getting blown out... again.

justusthane 4 hours ago

It is ironic that this outage map _also_ is not loading for me right now

tristor 4 hours ago

Yes, just to confirm, it seems that our platform is getting hammered at the moment and it's causing the page to take a long time to load or intermittently load. We are looking into it.

Stiereng 3 hours ago

How ironic

tristor 3 hours ago

It is back up now.

There will be a more detailed message when we finish the SII on our status page at the link I previously provided, but the short version is we took way more traffic than normal to our platform and the related workers were running out of memory.

ishtanbul 4 hours ago

it seems to be down... lol

janlukacs 4 hours ago

still down :)

xtiansimon 3 hours ago

LOL. Share defaults to X.com

stronglikedan 3 hours ago

seems smart to link to the most popular platform by default. there's other share links at the bottom for the less popular ones

rico735 11 minutes ago

It's not that popular, is it? It's tiny compared to, like, Whatsapp.

tristor 2 hours ago

The public outage map is primarily a marketing page, because customers receive deeper insights in-product. Given that most people discuss outages live/up-to-the-minute on Twitter, that is why its where we default to sharing.

VCFundedGenYer 2 hours ago

Honestly I trust downdetector more than that. Crowdsourcing always wins.

throooooo 17 minutes ago

Downdetector said basically everything was down today (including Google, AWS, etc.) but they aren't affected. This makes me NOT trust downdetector.

spelunker 3 hours ago

My extensive DDoS bot network... er I mean my distributed website validation platform!

akersten 5 hours ago

It seems like one of the best methodologies there is? Real people reporting real outages of a service they use?

I often know about outages dozens of minutes in advance of it being posted on official channels (or in the case of AWS, three days later...).

So what if the resolution is low because people can't log in to Fortnite and an Azure outage gets shown as an Epic Games outage. Doesn't matter. The live feed is incredibly reassuring from a "down for anyone else this instant, before official status page has a chance to see it?" Saves me so much time knowing whether it's a me-or-them issue.

inChargeOfIT 5 hours ago

How is it garbage? It's crowdsourced monitoring so sure, there will be false positives (especially when aws/cloudflare/azure/bgp services have a bad day), but it's one of the best indicators to quickly know if _something_ is going on.

cush 5 hours ago

Yeah, but the methodology means that normies are going to inaccurately blame AWS and Google (both are down right now according to downdetector)

OGWhales 4 hours ago

At least it reports the numbers they are getting, you can see that outlook has 130k reports while AWS only has 1.3k.

greenchair 5 hours ago

not really, soon as i had a problem with outlook i went there and already saw user reports and a massive spike confirming it wasn't anything on my end.

pigggg 4 hours ago

As someone who ends up being unofficial downdetector-primary at a company, dealing with this shit and the fact that people cannot comprehend its mis-attribtion wastes so much of my time.

denysvitali 3 hours ago

Still more reliable than most of the status pages that even lie after the outages

rdiddly 3 hours ago

At the other extreme is Microsoft's own dashboard (https://azure.status.microsoft/en-us/status) whose methodology is so "rigorous" that it probably won't show anything about today's outage until next week, if at all!

NetMageSCW an hour ago

Since this isn’t an Azure outage why would that page show anything ever?

dudus 6 hours ago

From what I've seen it seems people complaining they can't get emails from MS so that's why gmail is showing as down.

And with Google is people complaining Chrome doesn't load their "pages". I bet they mean outlook.

busymom0 5 hours ago

My housemate texted me saying our internet is so slow because outlook wasn't loading. So I think lots of people associate email not working with entire internet not working..

MiguelPablo 4 hours ago

With how many people are unable to associate a "broken" monitor with an unplugged HDMI/DisplayPort or power cable, it doesn't surprise me that most people would not make a disctinction between the "internet" and "Outlook".

paxy 5 hours ago

This happens every time there's an outage. People see their email not working and go there and mark everything as down regardless of whether it is affected or not. There's nothing wrong with Gmail or AWS or Cloudflare or Facebook.

patrickmay 5 hours ago

"There's nothing wrong with . . . Facebook."

That's a bold claim to make on HN.

matt3210 6 hours ago

Software / software service quality has been declining for a few years IMO.

worik 6 hours ago

Coincidentally with massive programmer layoffs?

ocdtrekkie 6 hours ago

This usually isn't a software quality issue, it's overcomplicated infrastructure failures cascading through a complex environment causing additional systems to fall over.

iAMkenough 5 hours ago

AI agents should be able to resolve this quicker than employees, right?

Service quality is in better hands after the layoffs, at least that’s what investors are led to believe.

bitteralmond 5 hours ago

AI is good at incident diagnosis, but AI slop code may have actually caused this: designing to avoid cascading failures is something AI doesn't do so well

davidee 5 hours ago

The place where I consistently see AI/LLMS/Agents/language-widgets-with-tools fail at making decent code (and more often configuration) is infrastructure.

The number of times it has spit out a python program where a much simpler bash script would do, is too many to count.

I have a pet theory that if you don't know what you really want, and aren't skilled enough to understand what you got, infra code is THE WORST.

Anecdote: I wanted a simple change to an ansible playbook today. GPT-6-Astra/codex came up with the most convoluted, brittle solution possible the first time, even though it was extending and already clear, idiomatic playbook. It took some amount of offensive and critical prompting to get it to use ansible's built in modules and tooling to do the same job - and do so with nearly 80% less configuration and like 1000% more human readability.

Some part of me harbours a sneaking suspicion that the "throw everything at it" ethos is by design, not as a defensive measure against crappy code, but as a way to ensure there's so much code and it's so convoluted orgs and operators (or developers) are stuck/addicted.

It's still a force multiplier - but it's by no means driverless, especially for existing/already-running infra.

MiguelPablo 4 hours ago

I work as a (depressed lol) sysadmin apprentice in a small MSP company (I live in Europe) and boy do I got a story about Ansible playbooks: We made an offer to one of our clients to automate the deployment of software to their computers (this is a client with around 150-200 employees, depending on whether you count only the "core" employees or also security and maintenance staff). Before we made and implemented this offer using Ansible, they did not have any sort of Software Deployment tool whatsoever, everything got installed fully manually.

(they also used to have local admin rights on all of their client computers until one employee got phished and literally gave away their personal ID card via a webcam)

In any case, guess who got to implement all the relevant playbooks for installing software and what tool they used for it? Our company literally handed the job to an intern who had no IT background whatsoever. I say this not to be mean, he was legitimately just at our company because a government program required him to do an internship.

He used Deepseek (our company does not believe in purchasing LLM subscriptions, at least not for us normal employees) to write literally all of the playbooks for any kind of software that mattered to our clients.

Now, as I said before, I am only an apprentice, and I am certainly not a good programmer by any means, but I read through parts of the Ansible documentation and had worked with it before, and I understood enough to at least be able to roughly judge whether a playbook made sense or was just way too complicated and convoluted.

I had to help this intern out multiple times, because he hadn't yet understood that, in order to write a functioning playbook, you first had to somewhat understand how to deploy a piece of software on a single test machine using CMD or Powershell syntax with an according .exe or .msi.

He simply prompted, pasted the playbook and then reprompted with the error codes from the failed playbook until it somehow worked or until I had to help him out.

This took place in December or November of last year and the playbooks are mostly still pretty shitty if I am being honest.

I did take away an important lesson from this "episode", though: LLMs can be very usefuly for writing code, or in this case, Ansible playbooks, but only if you have a somewhat decent and basic grasp of how software installation works via CMD/powershell and if you took the time to read through and learn about at least the basic Ansible concepts.

Since I am only an apprentice (on paper and in terms of my knowledge and how I get paid, not in terms of how much I am expected to earn for the company), I have painfully experienced how important it is to possess a certain level of understanding about the infra-related code and scripts that you would like LLMs to write for you, because otherwise it very quickly spirals out of control and starts throwing everything at the problem, just as you described.

SoftTalker 4 hours ago

Assuming AI agents are not the cause of the incident.

worik 5 hours ago

> This usually isn't a software quality issue... overcomplicated infrastructure failures cascading through a complex environment

That is a software issue.

cheesemonk66 5 hours ago

Basically the number one issue these days

unethical_ban 5 hours ago

I don't consider fat-fingering a BGP route or a DNS entry to be a "software" issue directly.

elxr 4 hours ago

Infra is >90% software nowadays

combobyte 5 hours ago

I blame bad vibes

TacticalCoder 4 hours ago

> ... has been declining for a few years IMO

Interesting: there's a huge correlation with everybody beginning to use LLMs.

And we dismiss it as being non-causal by saying it all started going downhill before the advent of LLMs?

I don't buy it. I think we're seeing the results of what happens when you hand the keys of the kingdom to LLMs.

CamperBob2 4 hours ago

Using LLMs properly leads to better software, not just more of it.

10111001 3 hours ago

> Using LLMs properly leads to better software, not just more of it.

Current industry best practice is to use LLMs improperly.

hackerbrother 3 hours ago

How do you use LLMs properly?

NichoPaolucci 3 hours ago

With engineering rigor. They are fantastic tools for quickly navigating large codebases, ingesting large amounts of data, refactoring legacy code, compiling multiple formats of data, following defined patterns, and many other proper uses for the tools.

That doesn’t mean the code/result doesn’t still need to meet our engineering standards.

CamperBob2 3 hours ago

Hopefully the people who feel that way are already close to retirement, so the choice won't have to be made for them.

10111001 an hour ago

> Hopefully the people who feel that way are already close to retirement, so the choice won't have to be made for them.

One of the best ways to deal with doing something the wrong way is to get rid of all the people who know how to do it correctly. That way no one knows any better, so no one has to confront the fact they're actually doing it wrong.

perching_aix 3 hours ago

I really don't see the correlation, actually. On the contrary, I'm finding nasty defects with it that have been dormant for long and handwaved away, with repros to reveal them.

It's been full speed downhill for many years, and the failure modes are pretty distinct.

vconnor 3 hours ago

It's the same with layoffs: there's always a top comment trying very hard to convince everybody that AI usage has played no part.

skeaker 2 hours ago

Well no, Windows has been more or less all downhill since Vista.

RajT88 3 hours ago

ThousandEyes while it was loading seemed to have centralized around it mostly being a Microsoft outage.

https://status.cloud.microsoft/m365

Azure status does not document anything:

https://azure.status.microsoft/en-us/status

All that said... Stuff on my home PC started getting various DNS issues around the time my email started acting weird. Hard to say how widespread it is. It may be bigger than Microsoft even.

fock 3 hours ago

everything non-microsoft works fine here!

jwnin 2 hours ago

This is an M365 outage, not an Azure outage. M365 has a separate status page with information: https://status.cloud.microsoft/m365

jwnin 2 hours ago

It's insane that Microsoft continues to have global outages. Tech debt is real, service delivery on a planetary level means change is measured and deliberate, but...it's been years. YEARS.

infn8loop 4 hours ago

I suspect some possible relation to SignDrop or attempts to patch it.

SignDrop is an unpatched Windows zero-day local privilege escalation (LPE) exploit that allows a standard user to gain NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM privileges by abusing the Common Log File System (CLFS) kernel driver (clfs.sys). Security researcher Abdelhamid Naceri (also known as MSNightmare or Nightmare Eclipse) published a detailed technical write-up and functional proof-of-concept (PoC) code on GitHub on November 10, 2026.

stackghost 4 hours ago

Are you finding these vulns with Mythos/Daybreak or some other tool? Chinese models perhaps?

antx 3 hours ago

Not impossible, but very unlikely. CLFS isn’t remotely reachable, it's a kernel driver reached through local API calls and has no network listener. AFAIK the historical CLFS CVEs are all rated as local.

testplzignore 6 hours ago

https://x.com/MSFT365Status/status/2120938282204688468

> We're investigating reports of users experiencing issues accessing Exchange Online mailboxes through multiple connection methods in the Americas. More details can be found in the Microsoft 365 admin center under EX1550543.

newhotelowner 19 minutes ago

We can't use outlook on Windows. This is f'ing abomination.

JPascal_ 4 hours ago

In my language many would say “descansito” :)

tech_ken 3 hours ago

Oh estoy haciendolo

rossdavidh 3 hours ago

I need to start working on adding this word to English...

xtiansimon 3 hours ago

WOO-HOO! I'm going home.

andrewinardeer 4 hours ago

GitHub the other day went down because of an influx of anonymous users. Microsoft has hinted that surging connections caused the outage. I wonder if these two are linked?

thraway2079081 5 hours ago

Neither email nor Teams is working at my non-tech megacorp employer. Wonder how much of the economy this is impacting.

hdgvhicv 4 hours ago

Productivity up 20%

stanac 4 hours ago

Focus time, and this time you don't even have to (nor you can) reserve time-slot in the calendar.

morkalork 3 hours ago

My PRs need approval but I have no way to ping anyone (screams internally)

croes 4 hours ago

Is Excel down too?

chromatin 4 hours ago

license servers are down, so we can't use even the desktop products at our large enterprise

croes 4 hours ago

Then it’s a huge impact on economy

cwbriscoe 29 minutes ago

Teams has been working all day for me but I haven't been able to use outlook (app, not web) for about 7 hours now. Fortune 20 company, BTW.

duxup 6 hours ago

Same for me. Status won’t load even.

Personally I kinda enjoy these outages…

infamouscow 3 hours ago

Everyone that is a whole stack programmer (say, kernel to webapp) has seen just how unnecessarily complicated everything has become. Watching it burn to the ground would be a pornographic miracle.

ArcHound 2 hours ago

The status page reports that defender, DLP and others are now affected. This could get really ugly really fast.

vermontdevil 40 minutes ago

Looks like a new vector attack for the future.

NichoPaolucci 6 hours ago

Isn't this the company that is trying to get rid of 25% of their employees?

Status page is down. Much of our org is halted.

Fingers crossed that Azure isn't impacted (seems fine so far)

(https://www.geekwire.com/2026/microsoft-makes-new-voluntary-...)

eightysixfour 6 hours ago

> Isn't this the company that is trying to get rid of 25% of their employees?

Just clarifying this in general, when a company makes a voluntary offer to some segment of employees, especially at this size, it is a statistics game of how many people accept the buy out.

They did not make the offer to 25% of the employees to downsize by 25%, they did it to downsize by 5% (or something like that), and then made the offer based on how many they expect to accept. This is specifically covered in this line of the geekwire article:

> Microsoft didn’t provide a projection for how many employees will accept, but the company told GeekWire it anticipates a much smaller share than the roughly 30% who took its earlier voluntary retirement offer, which went to longtime employees more likely to take the deal.

They probably expect 10-20% of those offered to take it, which would result in a 2.5-5% total downsizing.

NichoPaolucci 5 hours ago

Yeah - I get it. Just poking the bear a bit. We've had some major incidents this year from multiple vendors, it has been aggravating.

AnimalMuppet 5 hours ago

Hmm. More than normal?

And everybody has spent a year letting AI write code. Correlation is not causation, but I wonder...

esseph 4 hours ago

The speed of change has accelerated drastically at some organizations, so even if quality stayed the same, the number of outages would increase because of the # of changes has condensed to happen over much shorter time frames.

maxboone 5 hours ago

Why do they offer these buy outs at all, doesn't the US have at will employment?

Or is this just a gesture of goodwill to avoid people jumping the ship on their own?

tesin 5 hours ago

At will applies on a one by one basis - at a certain headcount, WARN legislation applies https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/layoffs/warn

And the other part is the "goodwill" you mention - if you jettison people for nothin en masse, word gets out, and make it hard to hire in the future

coredog64 5 hours ago

A layoff of any real size has negative impacts to their unemployment insurance premiums and restricts their ability to file PERM for employees. Meeting those targets with voluntary separation prevents those impacts.

gmane 5 hours ago

If you lay people off, you’re on the hook for their unemployment. A voluntary buyout avoids that, and also avoids mandatory reporting for layoffs.

evenhash 4 hours ago

That’s not entirely accurate. Washington State pays unemployment, not the company. The state funds unemployment by taxing payrolls, but it’s much more indirect than most people think.

Claims do affect the rate they pay next year, but the company isn’t “on the hook” for you personally, at least not any more than they are for your social security income.

StableAlkyne 5 hours ago

Voluntary reductions do not have the same reporting requirements or protections that actual layoffs have.

NotMichaelBay 5 hours ago

I think both parties probably benefit; people who are more likely to take the offer are those who have another reason to leave (unfulfilled, etc). This will benefit the company in the long run because they can eventually replace them with someone who want to join (people applying for the job).

ifwinterco 5 hours ago

Can go the other way though: people who've been there for a while, are motivated and back themselves to get another job will take redundancy (i.e. the people you want to keep).

People who aren't motivated and/or don't back themselves to get another job will stay (i.e. probably the people you want to get rid of)

rustystump 5 hours ago

You can at will fire but that doesnt stop lawsuits. Most of these require signing docs to get the payout. It is a way to cut cleanly and derisk the cut

asdff 5 hours ago

The fact that it is always Big Even Number shows how stupid it is. Imagine if it was serious like "23.5176%" then you'd know they actually did their homework on leaning up operations instead of just cutting off limbs and seeing if it can still walk or not.

hn_submit 5 hours ago

I can't access my Outlook.com account so I guess Azure's having problems.

nightski 4 hours ago

The CFO said in an interview they only expected 3% or less to actually take the offer.

dastari 4 hours ago

Relax. I'm sure they have copilot working on it.

burnedbyhell an hour ago

I'm able to see I have voicemails not able to listen to voicemails in Teams. Same issue?