https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/06/us/politics/chinese-spy-a..., https://archive.ph/atMcp
https://www.cnn.com/2026/11/08/business/nvidia-investigation...
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/06/us/politics/chinese-spy-a..., https://archive.ph/atMcp
https://www.cnn.com/2026/11/08/business/nvidia-investigation...
Pentamerous 7 hours ago
Usually they are more along the lines of fake apologies like "I'm sorry that you feel that way", or in this particular case I would imagine something like "I'm sorry that I was spied on, I was doing my best and nothing prepared me to deal with a foreign agent".
It's refreshing to see words like "My responsibility is to serve you and be worthy of your trust. I have fallen short of that responsibility. I am fully committed to NVIDIA and will work to earn back your confidence.".
wewewedxfgdf 6 hours ago
Look, Jensen got whatever he wanted, China got the GPUs it wanted - China also turned Jensen into a staunch advocate for selling GPUs to China - everything's good - everyone wins.
"Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang challenged US export controls on advanced semiconductors, arguing that continued technology collaboration and access to the Chinese market are ultimately in America’s best interest. Speaking to reporters in South Korea this week, Huang described China as a “singular, vital, important, dynamic market, and nobody can replace that.” He asserted he would continue campaigning for full access to this market, stating he is "optimistic" that China will remain a key consumer of US chips."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/nvi...
He's not a traitor or a spy he's a capitalist wanting to make money - that's the American way.
torben-friis 6 hours ago
He's a victim, he apologizes well, he's working with the board on this...
Is HN just this millionare-friendly? astroturfed?
Not that I expect a metaphorical lynching, but it's certainly a take when the news is "one of the most important roles in the US is potentially losing national secrets by absurd oversight".
nomorewords 6 hours ago
Capricorn2481 6 hours ago
He is a billionaire and people here fall over themselves idolizing figures like him. You get the sense reading HN comments that they respect founders they don't know more than their own spouse or kids.
yreg 6 hours ago
What do you mean by this, should we be negative about him because he is rich?
torben-friis 6 hours ago
I'm implying him being rich is making people blind to this fact.
lukan 6 hours ago
torben-friis 6 hours ago
I'm personally not interested in the morals of cheating, but claiming this is a private issue is crazy, as is removing his agency and implying it was something done to him. You don't fall in a random's bed by stumbling.
codeduck 5 hours ago
bartread 5 hours ago
Whoa, whoa, who, whoa, whoa! You know the rules: no leaking next week’s headlines in advance. What kind of outfit do you think we’re running here?
I do agree though: regardless of whether the woman is a Chinese agent or not, and regardless of whether he knew or suspected (I doubt he did), this affair represents a serious lapse in judgement that has implications far beyond his personal life.
If you can be compromised personally, you can certainly be compromised professionally.
I suspect it won’t happen, because it would likely tank the stock, but really he should be thinking about resigning.
joyeuse6701 2 hours ago
figmert 5 hours ago
lukan 4 hours ago
I did not. If there was more to it, leaked confidentials, blackmailed deals etc. then yes, he will be responsible. There is an investigation. But what is known, so far he "just" cheated on his wife. And this is what they have to deal with.
mrngld 3 hours ago
For what it's worth, I believe the military would agree, that would lead to a pretty quick loss of security clearances.
The dude isn't running a McDonalds franchise, after all. Everyone is saying he "took responsibility". No, he admitted it after it was already public (which is no great act of courage), now the board needs to actually make him accountable. And unemployed.
antihero 4 hours ago
Edit: Oh
watwut 4 hours ago
CEO who gets honey-trapped by stripper agent ... is well meaning smartest person ever.
akoboldfrying 2 hours ago
joyeuse6701 2 hours ago
Assuming the spy angle to be true, He IS a victim as a target of a concentrated effort by a nation state to compromise him.
If all it took to compromise US national security was for a nation state to exploit the oldest backdoor in the human/male psyche, then I’d say there’s something wrong with the national security defense strategy.
Don’t blame the single point of failure, blame the design, maybe the designers.
It should never have been possible.
Having said that, Russia/China wouldn’t use this strategy unless it worked against most powerful men and their psyche.
yibg an hour ago
- he should’ve been more careful? How?
- he should never get into a romantic relationship because they could be a spy?
Capricorn2481 6 hours ago
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ubercore 5 hours ago
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ethbr1 5 hours ago
Say what you want about the Altmans who lucked into a rising tide, but Nvidia has been doing hard engineering, consistently delivered, strategically brilliantly for a couple decades now.
Plus, the primary risk here isn't that secrets were exposed but rather that Huang attempts to hide the thing and makes himself vulnerable to blackmail. The facts leaking (three letter agency off the record?) nuked that possibility.
solenoid0937 3 hours ago
They lucked into being the available useful product when the transformer dropped. This was not some megabrain multi year preparation they had been doing.
Jensen did attempt to hide the affair. That's why it was an affair. Even now he does not mention the fact that he sold billions of dollars of chips to his girlfriend's shell company, violating export controls and creating a NatSec risk.
ethbr1 2 hours ago
It was a bet that the future would need more streaming parallel compute, and GPUs were well-placed to deliver it.
That's a shrewd bet, and one AMD (and Intel) were stupid not to also make.
figmert 3 hours ago
nonethewiser an hour ago
Clearly his wife is the victim of him cheating. And he's a victim of a foreign intelligence operation.
It doesn't even mean he deserves sympathy but I see no rational basis for saying he's not a victim of anything here.
coef2 6 hours ago
ldite 5 hours ago
He would have presumably signed off on it, but refusing to do, or questioning their judgement, would look very bad to the board.
ethbr1 5 hours ago
bushido 4 hours ago
kevmo314 4 hours ago
sznio 3 hours ago
notenchange 2 hours ago
I also see this behavior quite a lot in people that claim that meritocracy doesn’t exist in our society. But they never go far enough to end point where they admit they don’t deserve their own job.
bushido 38 minutes ago
No.
I'm suggesting that a writers emotional intelligence and personal experience can show up in their writing. Especially, when the party they're writing for is receptive of the style/direction.
brookst 2 hours ago
And that’s a simpler answer than Huang actually wanting a more direct apology?
bushido an hour ago
I never said that. Both things can be true at the same time.
bpicolo 4 hours ago
SilasX 2 hours ago
cynicalkane 4 hours ago
Sounding sincere doesn't mean they actually are, but it does mean they didn't let their ego get in the way of it, which is more than can be said about many who would be caught in a position like this, rich or not.
q3k 4 hours ago
It's so depressing to see people eat this up.
A_Venom_Roll 4 hours ago
program_whiz 4 hours ago
Its not that Jensen is wrong, its a good play, the GP is just saying how sad it is to watch people eating this up like they think Jensen cracked open his laptop and drafted a note, pushed it up to the public web site, then forwarded it to axios or something.
There were lots of people involved in a carefully crafted rollout, the wording of which has nothing to do with how Jensen or his family are handling this. We will never know how he personally feels or how any of this really played out behind closed doors. For all we know he and his wife are talking divorce and shouting it out and this piece is just crafted damage control.
A_Venom_Roll 4 hours ago
GP's take seems to assume bad faith, regardless of the message. Mu question was aimed at finding out what GP would actually consider a "genuine" response in this situation.
akoboldfrying 2 hours ago
Many social situations have this signalling problem -- in fact I would say it's the rule, and the exception is the case where it's rational to believe another person's signals because it's known to be costly to generate them.
gramie 2 hours ago
noisy_boy an hour ago
We have no way of knowing what he feels genuinely regardless of the words which doubtlessly were crafted by experts and approved by him. We do know his actions that caused this though. And the only real and verifiable thing will be future actions. Rest is fluff.
DivingForGold 3 hours ago
...just like Bill Gates and Bezos, both were found to be "foolin around" behind the backs of their spouses. A pic of a young Russian babe appears on the net with Gates. Money = power and corrupts most of us. But to Huang's credit, it likely was not he that "chased down" this Chinese spy. The Spy was the one coaxing him into an affair.
It's sort of like 1st degree versus 2nd degree. If you kill a person in cold blooded murder it is 1st degree, but if you have a good reason, or, are "lured" into the act, it's 2nd degree. I would argue for 2nd degree in this case.
solenoid0937 3 hours ago
carlosjobim 3 hours ago
Let's say there was a false apology. And a person here on HN fell for it. What exactly have they lost by falling for it? Let's say a person here on HN didn't fall for it. What exactly did they win?
People get to caught up in being right and "not being a sucker" that they forget if it's worth their time and worry. It seems people are most competitive when stakes are the lowest and there's nothing to gain.
None of us here have any stake in this.
LightBug1 4 hours ago
I'm not saying crucify him. We all make mistakes. But he doesn't deserve your sadness. His family does.
He made a horrible mistake which should serve as a cautionary tale and reminder to us ... that's all.
And the spy angle, and how that's being defended? Nauseating ...
freeopinion 2 hours ago
If he was goofing around trying to juggle a bowling ball and it slipped and smashed the coffee table next to him, I could feel sorry for him. I'd still expect him to pay for the damage.
Doing stupid things with a bowling ball and cheating on your wife and family are not the same level error. I can still feel sorry for him in his mistake. And I can still expect him to pay for the damage. In this case, it isn't paying for a new coffee table. And it isn't just writing a public letter.
The levels of trust he has violated are deep. Not just for his wife and family. He has been smoozing the President of the U.S. to influence U.S. foreign policy towards China. Do we trust this was for the best interest of the U.S.? The world? So that his company could make more money? Or for his personal gratification?
I believe in second chances. I think he can work to rebuild trust. But rebuilding trust doesn't mean you start over with 100% trust. Put him back in the mail room and trust him with small things. Then trust him with increasingly important things as he earns that trust back. Maybe someday he might earn back enough trust to regain his current position. Ok, maybe don't restart him in the mail room. But don't restart him where he is.
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All of the above is a mostly useless opinion. I am not on the board. I am not in any position to dictate anything about the situation. It is mostly none of my business. I just offer it as some food for thought for anyone trying to form their own philosophy. Consider compassion with consequences.
wildmXranat 3 hours ago
It's not hard to keep it zipped up in the pants.
noJiveTV 3 hours ago
solenoid0937 3 hours ago
LightBug1 3 hours ago
Mr Huang was tested, and failed that test.
He was weak when he should have led.
I've said before. He doesn't deserve crucifixion, but he doesn't deserve your/a defence.
Save your words for his family.
Rando's leaping to the defence of an adulterer is a lame look.
joyeuse6701 2 hours ago
dezsiszabi 2 hours ago
gjsman-1000 2 hours ago
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among you.
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
notenchange 2 hours ago
You know, the ones that actually did the spying.
brookst 2 hours ago
Huang had many responsibilities that he failed to live up to. Sure, he’s a victim of sorts, but he also failed everyone.
LightBug1 2 minutes ago
It was the Mr Huang's personal weakness that enabled the spying.
I've said before. This was a private matter, and I will not crucify him for his mistake / weakness - though it does speak somewhat to his character.
However, the spying element of this is absolutely deserving of blame. The personal weakness he's shown has enabled a national security risk. That's no small thing.
Let's pretend I took drugs and got caught. That's a personal matter.
Now let's pretend I took drugs and then ran over a family while driving. It's no longer 'just' a personal matter and without intent. But I bet you'd still blame me as my personal failing led to significant harm.
The 'victim', in relation to spying, absolutely is deserving of blame here because his adjacent personal failings led to public harm.
oenvoendoskfk an hour ago
coef2 an hour ago
montjoy an hour ago
dezsiszabi 2 hours ago
brookst 2 hours ago
We can’t know what he really thinks, but as apologies go, this is a good one. And it’s not healthy to see every piece of evidences as further proof of one’s own unshakable beliefs.
qlte 41 minutes ago
When people say that the implication is they expect to see some action beyond issuing a statement.
pointlessone 6 hours ago
Responsibility implies consequences and as far as I can tell there are none so far, other than minor embarrassment.
jaynate 5 hours ago
rithdmc 5 hours ago
ukblewis 4 hours ago
program_whiz 4 hours ago
Sometimes people cheat, especially when they have lots of offers, money, free time, travel, and time away from family. It feels good, and gives a sweet rush of dopamine, and is part of men's biological wiring and selected for over the eons.
oenvoendoskfk an hour ago
And please, no, cheating is not part of “men’s biological wiring”. Not one is “wired to cheat”. It’s a choice. A conscious choice. We have enough will power to stop ourselves at any moment regardless of whatever bullshit “wiring” theory you might have. It was his choice and he chose poorly. Simple as that.
It always astounds me how billionaires (of all people) can be the stupidest people on Earth while also being the most powerful people on Earth.
Power doesn’t corrupt, power seeks the corrupt.
program_whiz 38 minutes ago
On the other hand if we are partially controlled by biological drives, it explains these patterns we repeatedly observe, despite the consequences. I posit Jensen is not among "the stupidest people on earth" but that the skills that allow him to head a trillion dollar company are separate from the have-an-affair part of his biology. Of course, you could be right, maybe Bezos, Gates, Juang, Clinton, and others are just really stupid.
rithdmc 18 minutes ago
Aerroon 4 hours ago
wooger 4 hours ago
figmert 3 hours ago
ape4 3 hours ago
qlte 28 minutes ago
You know product ABC has ongoing yield problems from an outside source. Wait for moment when Person Z looks burnt out/stressed/etc and walk through emotional available "you can talk to me about anything" routine.
Don't pry about specific topic but wait until Person Z volunteers some vague conflict at work you know is the yield issue and try to gently redirect conversation using your insider knowledge Person Z isn't aware of to specific area you're interested in.
program_whiz 4 hours ago
1. take responsibility (by saying you take responsibility, hopefully there is no actual fallout from this). 2. Admit wrong doing (people hate someone who tries to cover up) 3. Talk about how much you love your family and how wonderful they are and you would never want to hurt them (relatable). 4. Write in a tone of sincere regret to avoid any public backlash (stock price depends on this).
GlacierFox 4 hours ago
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mgoetzke 3 hours ago
Pikamander2 2 hours ago
Happens to the best of us, really.
Insanity 3 hours ago
And honestly, we are all human and all of us make mistakes. Having an affair is usually something that should be resolved privately, in your personal life, not in public. The business context of this affair is clearly something he wasn’t aware of at the time and punishing him for being deceived seems extreme.
bix6 3 hours ago
Edit: lol people would down vote this. Cheating is cool if you’re a billionaire!
mixdup 2 hours ago
bix6 2 hours ago
mixdup 2 hours ago
dd8601fn 2 hours ago
I might evaluate someone’s good sense before investing, and this was bad decision-making, but it’s hardly the whole of his career.
boringg 2 hours ago
gjsman-1000 2 hours ago
But then we culturally decided divorce doesn't count. "Till death do we part" became "Till death or major or minor inconvenience or whim do we part." Then culturally we decided that marrying an oath-breaker is just Tuesday.
oenvoendoskfk an hour ago
Funny things, the rules we make up to justify nonsensical behaviour.
betterunix2 a minute ago
Have you also considered the fact that you can get married without taking such an oath? A wedding ceremony is not how you get married. You get married by signing a document that says you are marrying the other person who signs the document, and then filing the document with the government. Marriage is a legal arrangement that primarily covers property rights and certain legal decisions (e.g. the presumption that your spouse can make decisions on your behalf if you are incapacitated). Even in the few remaining places where cheating has any meaningful legal significance divorce lawyers often advise clients not to bother -- it is rarely worth pursuing and most people just want to finish the divorce as quickly as possible and all filing for fault will do is raise your legal fees (for little tangible benefit).
MisterMunchkin 2 hours ago
mixdup 2 hours ago
squidmaster 2 hours ago
ModernMech an hour ago
mixdup an hour ago
The entire scandal is a scandal to be sure. That he cheated on his wife with an intelligence operative and whatever happened beyond that is a problem and needs to be investigated and dealt with
But this thread was about him cheating on his wife full stop. He could have cheated with anyone else and it would not have been a problem. The cheating wasn't the problem, it was who he cheated with and what happened downstream
SilasX 2 hours ago
mixdup an hour ago
ModernMech 2 hours ago
I mean... he did lie through his teeth to make it seem better, so not exactly trustworthy no. That he didn't sell the nuclear codes doesn't mean people trusted him after that.
mixdup an hour ago
ModernMech an hour ago
g8oz 2 hours ago
bix6 2 hours ago
boringg 2 hours ago
How is billionaire related? Its such an unoriginal complaint.
bix6 2 hours ago
boringg 2 hours ago
I would argue that he's not a hall pass given the coverage.
bix6 2 hours ago
robotresearcher 20 minutes ago
And no one said a word about the affairs of Bill Gates, or Sergei Brin, or Donald Trump or Arnold Schwarzenegger, …
But when my neighbor Jim Regular cheated on his wife, it was on the front page of the New York Times.
Or was it perhaps not actually like that at all?
dijit 2 hours ago
I’m not religious at all, but one of our oldest texts in modern circulation says “let he without sin cast the first stone”- we’re all guilty of something after all, and while some poeple have no moral compass at all, some people rationalise ”a little” indecency or indiscretion.
I’m not defending him, but it doesn’t tell me he is not trustworthy in totality, its just distasteful and I don’t like it and I think this behaviour is worth some social punishment.
brookst 2 hours ago
But the knee jerk maximum-cancel for any offense is a problem. CEOs are not saints. Very few people are. If our standard for corporate leadership is not just to be good at business but also to be above reproach personally… who’s left?
It’s an unfortunate fact that humans are generally fallible and imperfect. Jack Welch cheated on his wife. Many other execs have. It sucks, but the world would not be better if there were a career death penalty for doing so.
bix6 2 hours ago
geertj an hour ago
nish__ an hour ago
alistairSH an hour ago
If every C-level in the world is morally suspect, we have a bigger problem. Seriously, is your claim that being a bit iffy is a pre-requisite for the job? That's a pretty damning statement about capitalism if that's the claim.
infamouscow 10 minutes ago
ModernMech 2 hours ago
They aren't saying "maximum cancel", they're just saying maybe this guy shouldn't be running one of the most consequential companies in the world when he's more interested in dopamine farming.
At the end of the day, asking a billionaire to resign his role, so he can sail off into the sunset on his yacht and have all the affairs he wants for the rest of his days isn't really on any scale of punishment or cancelling I'm familiar with.
Somehow we live in a world where with great power comes no responsibility or accountability, and it's quickly becoming too big of a problem to handle.
chipotle_coyote an hour ago
(For that matter, let's not pretend that if he resigned now he wouldn't be able to immediately pick up work again if he wanted to. Because, to reiterate, he is worth over $150 billion dollars. He could start a new company. He could start ten new companies. He could buy an island and build a secret underwater volcano lair to start a new career as a Bond villain. Assuming he doesn't have a secret underwater volcano lair already, of course.)
skinfaxi an hour ago
NetMageSCW an hour ago
alistairSH an hour ago
Nobody is saying he can't retain most/all of hi billions and do something else. But, leading a multi-billion dollar business should come with some minimum expectation of morality. If for nothing else because being an immoral turd opens you to extortion.
I really don't get the sentiment that flying around the world to cavort with a Chinese spy is ok-ish. That's insane.
moralestapia 22 minutes ago
"He could just leave nVidia, the company he built btw., and build another 4 trillion company before he dies."
alexjplant an hour ago
I concur, but...
> Jack Welch
You might have picked a better example than the guy who systematically hollowed out the American institution that was GE by evangelizing cartoonishly corporatist short-term MBA culture then leaving when the bill came due and washing his hands of that destructive movement that he propelled to the forefront of American business. There are tons of great leaders who did hurtful things in their private lives. I don't think that Jack Welch is exemplary of that first criterion (unless you count a legacy of financial engineering and grinding employees into pulp as leadership).
betterunix2 11 minutes ago
Along with a lot of people who are not executives, and people who were not executives at the time and went on to become executives. Like it or not cheating is relatively common, our species is not strictly monogamous and the evidence can be found in male anatomy (read about it if you are interested, particularly in comparison to Chimpanzee and Gorilla anatomy).
I am not saying this as a defense of cheating; it is just a fact that people cheat on their spouses, regardless of the moral implications or how "never cool" it is.
xivzgrev 2 hours ago
If it does, where do you draw the line? What personal moral failing deserves to be fired for and which do not?
monkeywork 2 hours ago
When did we fall back to religious level purity requirements in persons personal life in order to interact / do biz with them?
If your co-worker cheats on his/her partner should they be fired from their job?
infecto 2 hours ago
I don’t know why so many people jump so easily to canceling someone.
nonethewiser 2 hours ago
yibg an hour ago
maerF0x0 an hour ago
I will credit him the consideration that she is a state actor probably extensively trained in how to leverage men's weaknesses and fool them.
jmull 36 minutes ago
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limagnolia 2 hours ago
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nonethewiser 2 hours ago
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ulfw 37 minutes ago
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27183 an hour ago
Yes. The cheating is only a small part of it, although it does confirm he's a piece of trash and thereby throws into question his capability as a leader. More seriously, he potentially colluded with this person, an agent of a foreign government, to bypass export restrictions. The investigation that will follow exposes Nvidia very badly.
rat9988 3 minutes ago
Honestly I don't even care about the restrictions, not my law.
27183 a minute ago
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betterunix2 29 minutes ago
Also keep in mind that divorce is not some formulaic thing. Most divorces are settled out of court and a hypothetical settlement could have terms that allow him to keep those shares in exchange for something else (e.g. maybe he agrees to pay her the cash value or agrees to a large and permanent alimony structure). I doubt the Nvidia board is worried about this issue considering the other, more immediate problems here (like the fact that his mistress is a Chinese spy).
d4v3 23 minutes ago
Insanity 13 minutes ago
Insanity 15 minutes ago
nonethewiser 2 hours ago
mitchdoogle 4 minutes ago
bix6 3 hours ago
Balinares 2 hours ago
Huang doesn't even admit wrongdoing for the actual important part of the scandal, selling restricted hardware to an adversary!
Besides, taking responsibility is something you DO, not something you say. Stepping down would be taking responsibility, for instance.
Seriously. The letter reads like 100% insincere PR hot air. Don't fall for it.
dominotw an hour ago
I dont get all the Jensen glazing. "we are all human and all of us make mistakes. " . ok so what?
AtNightWeCode an hour ago
nater5000 an hour ago
Yeah, but how often is a "business person" (a) clearly personally, entirely responsible for a mistake like this and (b) is a significant enough "business person" for such a public letter to even matter?
To put it another way, Huang's apologie is how someone in his position would address a situation like this. It's not very impressive to hear a CEO make a personable apology for making such a personal mistake. Like, how else would it read?
Like, it wasn't that long ago that Bill Gates' got called out for similar things and made a similar apology (https://www.wsj.com/articles/bill-gates-apologizes-to-founda...). Of course, Bill Gates isn't at the center of the world's entire economy while getting caught sleeping with a Chinese spy, so there wasn't as much scrutiny on him.
DarkNova6 an hour ago
throwaway5752 36 minutes ago
The corruption in terms of PRC GPU import policy and Huang's relationship with the US administration are important.
This is not a prurient sexual scandal, it's a major corruption and infiltration scandal in one of the most important companies in the world. Huang personal travelled with the US President and advised him on regional strategy, and gave him tens of millions of millions of dollars in gifts.
Huang can handle it correctly and be as contrite as he wants but it won't take away the geopolitical impact created by the operation.
jmspring 30 minutes ago
kklisura 2 hours ago
Roark66 8 hours ago
The only newsworthy part of this is possibility he could've been blackmailed in the past about it and I assume this is what the investigation will be about.
Traster 8 hours ago
Marazan 4 hours ago
The chips he wanted to sell direct to China?
Frieren 8 hours ago
A world in which Kings rule, and peasants defend their depraved way of life.
I really hope that you are a bot from a PR firm, because it his hard to image people being so servile to power.
matwood 8 hours ago
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> defend their depraved way of life.
How about it's none of our business what happens in other people's bedrooms. For all we know his wife was fine with it or maybe she wasn't. Either way, not my business.
qurren 8 hours ago
If she was, he wouldn't have apologized, he would have defended his open relationship.
HappMacDonald 7 hours ago
thaumasiotes 3 hours ago
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bamboozled 8 hours ago
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ctmlr 7 hours ago
sib 5 hours ago
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refurb 5 hours ago
Come on, think before you comment
thaumasiotes 4 hours ago
It's a public document; the reasons he published it aren't even likely to include whatever relationship he has with his wife.
nacs 3 hours ago
Because it's a matter of national security.
And because he deals with foreign governmennts and should know better being of Chinese origin that the Chinese are known to use such honeypots?
Frieren 2 hours ago
I am not talking about the news. But about the people defending the cheating.
The news are not that he cheated but he cheated "... with a Chinese spy". And the post is not even about the news but an official release from Nvidia!
I do not even know anymore what is your point? Are you just asking people to stop caring about what billionaires do? Are you trying to protect the image of a billionaire for some weird reason? I do not get how do you fail to just read the news or the actual press release from Nvidia.
trymas 7 hours ago
OC says Huang is a victim. For real?
Owner and CEO of a TOP 3 company by market cap.
At that point he's not a private person, his actions have global consequences (his wife, kids most likely still are private persons, that's true, but I don't know about them).
He's in an incredible position of power against the majority of world leaders, but he's apparently "a victim" in an eyes of HN oligarch apologetic crowd?! Because he was allegedly seduced by Chinese spy? What in the sinophobia and oligarchophilia is this?
If Huang wouldn't be of ultra-billionaire class and the woman would truly is a spy - he would be in prison for treason in a heart beat. I can bet - nothing will happen and by next Monday this all will be forgotten, washed by best PR firms he can buy.
thih9 8 hours ago
Also note that his wife and children are victims of his unfaithful actions. He is the only one responsible for that - he just said so himself.
eecc 8 hours ago
We should really stop with this "just think of the children" knee-jerk
overfeed 7 hours ago
From the horse's mouth:
>> My actions hurt her and our children.
Parents (or "equals") can hurt and and disappoint others at any age - including adults.
not-kinsale-joe 7 hours ago
I don't know why you seem to be so against considering Jensen's children. Some people really value the commitments of marriage and see adultery as something very serious and damaging.
origini 5 hours ago
solenoid0937 3 hours ago
There are so many other children in the world that deserve consideration before his (grown adult, very rich) children.
Jensen should be apologizing to Americans for compromising NatSec.
tremon 2 hours ago
Why? National Security is not in his job description.
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thadt 4 hours ago
nonethewiser an hour ago
If this is your attitude then you should just never get married in the first place. At the very least you owe it to a partner that expects a real commitment.
javier123454321 8 minutes ago
Tade0 12 minutes ago
For one, there's no custody case. There's often also no child support (some jurisdictions extend it to college students) to speak of.
There's really mostly the sorrow of the parent who was cheated on.
yabatopia 7 hours ago
I notice quite a few people worry more about the financial implications (nVidia's stock price) than the ethical ones.
bigfishrunning 2 hours ago
pixelstack 7 hours ago
So, they are not allowed to be upset if daddy decided to cheat on their mommy after long marriage with some chinese honeypot? I hope you are not planning on start your own family any time soon
ethbr1 5 hours ago
"Think of the children" is a rhetorical appeal to pathos.
There's plenty to talk about here that doesn't require assuming how an adult is going to feel about another adult's behavior.
Keyframe 4 hours ago
To play devil's advocate here.. If she's a spy trained in psychological manipulation and seduction we'd be right to call him a victim instead of a participant since he'd be a target of those techniques applied to him. Maybe?
_heimdall 4 hours ago
hermitShell 3 hours ago
At a deeper level we do get to choose our overall environment and what kinds of things we are exposed to frequently, the recurring patterns of life can be consciously managed and shaped. But in the moment, we are more like an LLM doing a forward pass on next token. If a specific weight relating to refusal has been abliterated, it's not realistic to expect the next token to somehow still come out to refusal.
We can control our training better than we can control our inference. We have ego-ideals and specific mental makeup that can be exploited if identified.
MisterMunchkin 2 hours ago
catchnear4321 2 hours ago
So, no, he’s not a victim, his existing personal potential for infidelity was exploited. It worked because he would have done the same thing if the right non-spy were to arrive on the scene. The spy takes advantage of that.
noisy_boy an hour ago
superxpro12 an hour ago
Its clear his wealth generated a level of narcissism here that rose to a level that permitted him to invalidate the feelings of his wife, who, again, he made a vow to.
It does not matter if some hot chinese spy tried to get into his pants. He still let it happen. He his actions spoke for him: "I know i have a wife, but this chinese spy is so hot. I dont care about my wife anymore, but im going to keep this a secret from her because I know its wrong". For a loooooong time.
I'm personally so tired of excusing infidelity. He is a big boy. He can make big boy decisions.
Unless they're a poly couple, who knows.
montjoy 43 minutes ago
qs1ykyusPlate 8 hours ago
1dom 8 hours ago
This is an interesting take. I'm not sure I agree with it. I understand the principal: that she might have been being dishonest towards him, so he's a victim of lies.
Anyone who's worked in and around any high value, high risk or regulated areas has done the training courses on these sorts of risks though: specifically, people will lie to you to get information out of you.
Sure, on a personal level, consider him a victim if you want. On a professional level, this is him ignoring training, at great risk to the business.
weatherlite 8 hours ago
What ? If she was in his house and was a real Chinese spy who knows what data she extracted. Sorry, that's news worthy.
vova_hn2 6 hours ago
Not sure, if I follow. Are you saying that he has confidential papers just lying around his house? Or a computer (or other device) with confidential data without a strong password and an encrypted drive?
If any of this is true, I would say that this is actually a bigger problem, than the whole affair thing.
I'm just a humble software engineer and wouldn't let myself to handle any work related data so carelessly. Not sure, why a CEO of a huge multinational corporation would be held to lower standards.
pjc50 6 hours ago
vova_hn2 6 hours ago
I don't know, maybe you're right. I, personally, am very uncomfortable (almost physically) if I know that someone is seeing my screen and I wouldn't be able to get any work done in such state. Maybe I'm just weird.
> "your work is really interesting and important, please tell me more"
This one is unrelated to physically being inside someone's house.
varjag 5 hours ago
Cthulhu_ 6 hours ago
Corporate security is a strong reason for leaving your work at work.
swiftcoder 3 hours ago
Never met a tech executive who left work at work. Also never met an IT security team who had the juice to tell the CEO what he could and couldn't do on his corporate phone...
rsanders 2 hours ago
croon 6 hours ago
The precautions you describe does not shield against any of those, and I'm not even being creative.
vova_hn2 6 hours ago
You're right, haven't thought about those.
infthi 4 hours ago
weatherlite 2 hours ago
yibg an hour ago
chvid 7 hours ago
Jensen also probably got too close to Trump and now the China hawks and maybe the dems are out to make an example.
Also Jensen does not have golden shares/full control unlike Musk, Zuckerberg etc. so he can be actually be unseated.
maxglute 7 hours ago
Ylpertnodi 7 hours ago
scns 5 hours ago
joey486DX4 5 hours ago
I mean, Shou Zi Chew was grilled by Congress for his "links" to the Chinese Communist Party, and made to state that Tiananmen Square 1989 was a massacre despite being born, raised in Singapore, and served the Singapore military.
thaumasiotes 4 hours ago
The concept seems to have been mostly focused on the Chinese, but that in turn seems to have been largely because they outnumber everybody else.
You can read an essay criticizing the concept at Project Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/26350/pg26350-images.ht...
(It's in French, written by a Russian in 1897.)
victorhooi 9 minutes ago
Firstly, ethnicity is not the same as nationality.
Secondly, the CCP and China are two separate things. And then there's your definition of China, but I'm not going there. RoC and all...
Thirdly, Singapore is actually a former British colony, the native people are Malays, and there's four official languages (English, Chinese/Mandarin, Tamil and Malay). Now yes, there's a large erhnic Chinese diaspora in Singapore, but arguing that being Singaporean makes you a CCP spy would be a bit of a reach.
And geopolitical naivety aside, I find it mildly perturbing that somebody might assume that I'm a red under the bed, just because I have black hair, an olive complexion and am lactose intolerant.
sysguest 4 hours ago
if I was given this much easy task on congress hearing, I'd just say it with megaphone and take the lead from there
why is it difficult to say some fact?
is it difficult for you to say so?
joey486DX4 an hour ago
Change the race and ethnicity and tell me that it's okay.
Why can't you admit that this is yellow peril?
uxp100 4 hours ago
sysguest 4 hours ago
hell that's the typical "before" face of countless plastic surgery hospitals -- provides a great contrast to the "after"
philwelch 7 hours ago
elp 7 hours ago
Or to paraphrase a really old joke: Men have two heads but only enough blood to run one at a time.
mock-possum 2 hours ago
pixelstack 7 hours ago
philwelch 6 hours ago
I’m not commenting on the adultery because that’s a separate, private matter.
TedDoesntTalk 6 hours ago
Is the alcoholic the victim of the liquor manufacturers?
philwelch 6 hours ago
John23832 5 hours ago
nonethewiser an hour ago
But these arent great analogies because you dont have to have sex with a spy to be a victim of a foreign intelligence operation.
The gambler goes to the casino to gamble. And Alice Huang was sent to meet Jensen Huang under normal business pretenses.
The analogy cant quite represent it but its more like the casino sent a dealer-in-disguise to the gambler on some plausible non-gambling pretenses to spy on him. So he's a victim of the casino's spy operation. Then he gambled. Except he's not a sex addict, as far as we know.
nonethewiser an hour ago
He's not, you're adding details to his claim that he never said. He's the victim of a foreign intelligence operaiton.
InsideOutSanta 7 hours ago
He's both a victim and a perpetrator.
And while I usually wouldn't care if he cheated on his wife, because that's between him and his family, in this case, he was also incredibly dumb. This guy could have cheated on his wife with any number of women, but he chose to do it with a Chinese spy. I think having somebody who makes incredibly dumb decisions be the CEO of the world's most important company is definitely newsworthy.
"You're not talking to someone who woke up a loser, but you are talking to someone who woke up next to a Chinese spy."
xienze 4 hours ago
The implication here being that he _knew_ she was a Chinese spy.
InsideOutSanta 4 hours ago
toolslive 3 hours ago
xiphias2 7 hours ago
There's $50B at stake, so there's a huge incentive for foundations to ruin what's left of the family.
shakow 5 hours ago
I don't know; at some point “don't put your dick in people from the Other Side” should be a pretty well known rule if you're someone important. She didn't even hide her nationality.
watwut 4 hours ago
Best bet: not too good right now.
_heimdall 4 hours ago
DerDerDaIst 2 hours ago
His family is not of other peoples business....
everdrive 2 hours ago
11101010010001 an hour ago
shock-value 17 hours ago
hackernud3s 14 hours ago
shock-value 13 hours ago
nozzlegear 12 hours ago
hackernud3s 11 hours ago
ethbr1 4 hours ago
Because power is an ability to do what one wants, and a lot of people want sex.
rmunn 10 hours ago
I didn't like the book when I first read it (mostly because I seriously dislike Anna, and the book naturally spends a lot of time being told from her POV), but in retrospect, it's brilliant. Tolstoy has, without a single bit of moralizing, presented one of the best arguments I've seen in literature for being faithful to one's spouse and not engaging in affairs.
P.S. I should add that I don't think Tolstoy was inventing the "rich men having affairs was considered normal" aspect for the purpose of the book. I think that was what Russian society was really like at the time, and he took that aspect of society and wrote a book criticizing it, highlighting the negative effects that that attitude would have on people.
gramie 2 hours ago
In South Africa, men marrying multiple wives is still accepted as long as they are "traditional". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_South_Africa.
Most Muslim-majority countries currently allow polygamy. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries...
marliechiller 7 hours ago
acoustics 11 hours ago
Of course, the spy aspect could be relevant from a professional perspective (depending on what actions he took or what he knew), but I'm guessing you're talking about him having an affair.
specked-citrus 9 hours ago
zurfer 8 hours ago
Arn_Thor 8 hours ago
kaon_2 7 hours ago
shakow 5 hours ago
nicce 6 hours ago
It is not so clear, if this is about his character and can he be trusted. This is evidence that someone is capable for lying and doing something that might not be in line with company ethics either. I don't think we can assume from humans that "he lies only in his private life, but can be totally trusted on business side".
sire-vc 5 hours ago
Yes, in many places, absolutely. Bad decisions in your personal live suggest bad decisions in your professional life.
Aerroon 4 hours ago
Now take the same point and apply it to every other crime, misdemeanor, and breaking of rules. Should companies really operate based on that? Or should we maybe draw a boundary around professional life and only consider the professional life?
martin- 3 hours ago
Does it work the other way as well, so you're forced to divorce your spouse if you make a bad business decision?
lithos 3 hours ago
victorhooi 3 minutes ago
But that's ironically a non issue now that's it's front page press...lol.
It's a bit like celebrities who release embarassing photos themselves, to bypass hackers leaking them. (To be clear, I don't think the photos should be out either way, your private matters should stay private, celebrity or not, and it's horrid to have it dragged out in public. But I do admire the ballsiness in just releasing it themselves. And in this post-modern era, perversely some people seem to benefit from the exposure)
solenoid0937 3 hours ago
tremon 2 hours ago
Nowadays, we make them president.
throwaway5752 43 minutes ago
In fact, the affair was less important. Even if they were just a very close but unromantic professional relationship it would be a serious scandal.
Most posters in HN don't think "poor corporations are the victims when they are hacked". They think "the corporations should be liable because they did not invest enough in security". This is morally the same.
Synaesthesia 31 minutes ago
_doctor_love 2 minutes ago
yoyohello13 10 hours ago
HN cares about money and tech. Don’t take morality or life advice from here.
antonvs 7 hours ago
olelele 5 hours ago
IAmGraydon 5 minutes ago
sho 9 hours ago
> It’s the well-documented bias in which people systematically overestimate how morally they would behave compared with others—especially in high-pressure or ambiguous situations—while underestimating the situational forces that actually shape behavior.
I'm sure we're all paragons of moral virtue here but the reality is that unless you've been personally targeted by a nation state and successfully resisted, then you're really just fantasizing. Yeah bro, I'm sure you would have effortlessly resisted the Chinese sex trap, right after you benched 1000, got that hole in one and beat Hamilton at qualifying. You're just that good.
GlacierFox 4 hours ago
fzeroracer 4 hours ago
Regardless of how much you think we can or cannot resist actions from a foreign nation state, the ultimate fact of the matter is that he failed and thus is no longer suited for his position. If I would face worse consequences for such an action, then I damn well expect someone who's paid far above my pay grade to represent a company to face some consequences as well.
NetMageSCW 29 minutes ago
latentsea 8 hours ago
charles_f 2 hours ago
Lerc an hour ago
There's somewhat of a difference between 1:4 and 1:200 (US) or 1:300-500(most countries)
jlarocco an hour ago
The problem is the spying and Chinese influence - which doesn't happen all the time and is a big deal because he runs the biggest chip company in the world at a time we're trying to keep that tech away from China.
Security clearance applications have a whole section asking about extra-marital affairs, money problems, and whatnot precisely because spys use those types of things to bribe, blackmail, and pressure people. It sounds like a cheesy Cold War spy movie - but it happens in real life, as we're seeing.
Gareth321 8 hours ago
beng-nl 6 hours ago
My opinion is that - particularly with the wisdom of hindsight - it is right to say this is a serious lapse in judgement of Jensen. Especially given the potential security/strategic implications.
However to then make the jump to this saying something about his qualities of leadership is a big leap. His leadership record is exceptional: decades of foresight, strategic risk-taking, and execution. It seems wrong to allow one episode to outweigh three decades of evidence.
Gareth321 5 hours ago
ethbr1 5 hours ago
And from the reporting I've read, it isn't actually clear if she was a spy (i.e. directly trained and employed by a PRC intelligence agency).
The details (businessperson working in a viable business) make it seem more like she was a willing asset, who likely had a PRC intelligence handler.
Gareth321 4 hours ago
CalRobert 6 hours ago
danpalmer 17 hours ago
I'd expect a board to fire a CEO over this, so he will have to be critical to the business, more than a normal CEO is critical, to survive. The market reaction to him going would also be interesting. Seems like the markets are starting to figure out what the value is here.
dingaling911 17 hours ago
teknologist 17 hours ago
Tadpole9181 17 hours ago
danpalmer 17 hours ago
These aren't all entirely drop-in replacements, there are some trade-offs involved, but there are many companies with alternatives that could take Nvidia's market if they stall.
andsoitis 16 hours ago
Which of those sell chips at the Nvidia caliber sell to AI model builders in the US (not use internally)?
IncreasePosts 14 hours ago
SJC_Hacker 8 hours ago
teknologist 8 hours ago
jsw97 17 hours ago
mjr00 17 hours ago
The one big thing I will given Huang credit for is not going all-in on blockchain and recognizing it as a bubble. NVidia never really pivoted from their core business/customers to support crypto miners, unlike what they're doing with AI.
javier2 17 hours ago
est31 17 hours ago
Nvidia boosts AI a lot. They are the central bank of AI. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49673098
mjr00 17 hours ago
est31 17 hours ago
altmanaltman 17 hours ago
mjr00 17 hours ago
altmanaltman 15 hours ago
SXX 17 hours ago
Even when AI boom was imminient but 10 times smaller 2-3 years ago they did not invested heavily enough and Nvidia went all in.
I have no clue what percent of that decision making was Huang, but all the competition leadership was certainly incompetent.
So at least he did built company with a good leadership. Its a fact. Even if I personally dont like Nvidia or its products.
xiaoyu2006 17 hours ago
hcta 17 hours ago
that is generally what it looks like when someone is smarter than you
mjr00 17 hours ago
Maybe. This is also what everyone said about Elon for a long time, though.
CamperBob2 17 hours ago
N_Lens 8 hours ago
khazhoux 7 hours ago
I mean: dude is smart. Everyone just wants to deny him that because he’s now an anti-immigrationist and they can’t stand the thought of him being both awful and smarter than them.
smrq 6 hours ago
The trap he and many other smart idiots fall into is believing that having a high degree of expertise in one area qualifies you to speak authoritatively in unrelated areas. These days maybe you could call it Claude-smart: pairing situational brilliance with unwarranted confidence at other times. The really properly smart people I've met are good at tempering their statements with their degree of certainly based on their own qualifications.
khazhoux 6 hours ago
solyin 17 hours ago
mjr00 17 hours ago
Jlagreen 8 hours ago
Kudos 7 hours ago
iambateman 17 hours ago
andsoitis 17 hours ago
He's the visionary behind what they do and the person who influences industries around him to make it real.
IncreasePosts 16 hours ago
I made a boat load of money off of the Tesla IPO(and then holding for 12 years) but I only invested because I thought they wouldn't be a successful car company but would produce a bunch of patents that would be valuable when licensed to the big auto makers.
Obviously I got that wrong, but my investment still worked out - and I still have friends and family coming to me for investing advice because I made the right move but for the wrong reasons
mrheosuper 13 hours ago
But CUDA, Ray tracing acceleration, DLSS? It's not luck anymore.
musha68k 12 hours ago
Frieren 8 hours ago
So, he is responsible for the crypto and AI bubbles? If tomorrow AI crashes and Nvidia share value with it would that make Nvidia CEO an idiot?
CEO worshiping is going too far.
RussianBot9580 8 hours ago
Jensen is extremely hands on. If he is replaced NVidia is cooked.
bigDinosaur 7 hours ago
RussianBot9580 an hour ago
Intel is apparently fine (it's not fine) with a rotating cast of CEOs.
You are right though. At least whoever is trying to oust Jensen is nice enough not to bring out the usual tools.
plaidfuji 17 hours ago
hoppp 17 hours ago
bluegatty 17 hours ago
God god, no.
There's very little he could ever accidentally tell someone that would matter that much.
Other than handing over very detailed schemas etc, there's almost nothing important he could tell them.
Maybe some future ideas and plans, maybe some government things about the Administration, it's small peanuts.
Nvidia is an operational success, their IP is embedded within deep layers of know how and expertise.
He's the 'father' of that org, he set the tone, they like him there.
Nvidia would risk being an Intel without him.
danpalmer 17 hours ago
bluegatty 17 hours ago
denkmoon 16 hours ago
tyre 10 hours ago
If he knew / suspected she was a spy, yes, absolutely. If she was given access to confidential information, yes, absolutely.
If he thought it was a romantic relationship, fine, that doesn't affect me / NVDA / America.
Obviously he should stop now that he knows! But if he didn't at the time, you know, I think I can still trust him to make computer chips.
fauigerzigerk 8 hours ago
"Bad judgement" is a tool used in political rhetoric used to blame someone when there's nothing of any substance to blame them for.
However, all of this changes if it turns out that he gave his lover's company any kind of preferential treatment or that she was involved in China related lobbying.
This is what the investigation will focus on in my opinion. If they find anything at all then he will have to resign.
moregrist 16 hours ago
> There's very little he could ever accidentally tell someone that would matter that much.
I think the practical implications matter a lot less than the PR and legal ones.
If the stock price plummets tomorrow and doesn’t recover, the board may have to act.
Similarly, if the right governments start asking hard questions, the board may have to act.
This is likely going to be a slow-rolling shit show for a while. At the very least, it’s legitimate grounds for one or more congressional investigations, which may start here but could go anywhere.
fuzzythinker 15 hours ago
bluegatty 15 hours ago
Most investors don't care.
Unless there was some 'materially detrimental disclosure' this is just tabloid.
The fact that Elon has a literal harem, Tesla has $500M loan from Chinese banks with all sorts of conditions etc.
Elon literally does Zoom calls with Vladimir freaking Putin.
I think this is a nothing burger.
skippyboxedhero 16 hours ago
The crime here isn't giving secrets to the Chinese, it is helping them evade export controls. Again, this is something that Nvidia and Jensen has been investigated on repeatedly. If he knew that Megaspeed was a front for China, quite hard to deny given that Alice Huang seems to have brought Chinese execs to every meeting with Jensen then it is very bad. And yes, the stuff that Jensen would have said would have been very useful because, I assume, the inference is that he would have been helping them evade sanctions.
The very best case from here is that the board fires him.
bluegatty 15 hours ago
If that were true, then it's fair game, but I don't think that's what is going on.
US gov has not stated they are targeting him.
Also, there is a gigantic difference between 'avoidance' and 'evasion', like with taxes.
We'll see.
mandeepj 15 hours ago
Do we know that yet for sure? There's a closed-door US congressional hearing scheduled for nov/18
bluegatty 13 hours ago
I think it's very unfair to suggest they are targeting him, when there isn't even mention if it.
He's obviously entangled in this so he'll at least be the subject but beyond that it's not fair to say.
It would have to be 'very, very serious' for the US Gov under a super pro-AI/pro-business agenda to take down their #1 CEO over something indirect.
Musk has direct meetings with Putin for gosh sakes.
mandeepj 12 hours ago
You mean over the phone?
bluegatty 11 hours ago
mandeepj 10 hours ago
He admitted having talks with Putin during 2023/2024.
His Tesla China can help him circumvent any investigation or questioning from US authorities
hnlmorg 7 hours ago
This would have generated extra profit for Nvidia. So I doubt they'd care unless the US government chose to take legal action against Nvidia. And that's unlikely to happen under the current US administration.
jwilcoxson 4 hours ago
agnosticmantis 17 hours ago
Conscat 16 hours ago
InsidiousWombat 15 hours ago
N_Lens 8 hours ago
atq2119 10 hours ago
ElProlactin 9 hours ago
Have you considered how many billions of dollars of Nvidia sales were through entities diverting chips to China?
While there's no doubt that this is not the majority of the company's revenue, it's also not an insignificant amount.
If you had to pin Nvidia's success on one thing, the honest answer would be "right technology, right time." Without AI...And the questions about how sustainable that market is are now being asked by the market.
dchest 8 hours ago
i-chuks 4 hours ago
ElProlactin 3 hours ago
swyx 7 hours ago
its always been well known. its that line item of suspiciously high sales to singpapore. its never been a real concern.
ElProlactin 3 hours ago
Except it has been. There are people in multiple countries, including the US, Singapore and Taiwan, facing lengthy prison sentences for this. In the US in particular, violating export controls is a game you only play if you're looking for years of free federal accommodation.
Examples:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-authorities-shut-down-majo...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/chinese-national-and-tw...
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/california-man-arrested-smugg...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2d9y18g73o
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/aug/25/taiwan-ch...
https://asiatimes.com/2026/11/taiwan-to-criminalize-nvidia-a...
unsupp0rted 8 hours ago
What changed today?
Every major leader and CEO has obvious blind spots. They're geniuses at X but idiots at Y.
Look at all the great CEOs with ridiculous political views. It's fine: they do have vastly superior judgement, just not in areas where it doesn't directly affect their business.
For the NVDA CEO, it happens to be a woman. That puts him in probably the 80-90% of great leaders on whom that works.
rsynnott 6 hours ago
ksec 16 hours ago
For over a decade CUDA was nothing but a money and silicon wasting function that brought in very little extra revenue for the amount of company resources it uses. And arguably it started even before CUDA with Cg. And I will say another unpopular thing, they are in hardware business, apart from the past 1 - 2 years which they are enjoying massive success, for most of the past 30 years hardware business are 10x tougher than Software side.
Most CEO would have given up. Paul Graham invented the term to describe it, Founder Mode.
And for another note about comments elsewhere in the thread that Open AI is what brought up the current AI craze. Nvidia was already selling to OpenAI via introduction of Elon Musk in 2016.
I seriously doubt Nvidia would have been anywhere close to what they are today without Jensen's Leadership.
ahartmetz 6 hours ago
stickfigure 15 hours ago
musha68k 13 hours ago
He's been consistently showing up and proving himself over decades to be core to Nvidia's success - core as in leadership. I would look to sell my Nvidia shares without knowing him being at the helm.
ergocoder 11 hours ago
The bigger threat is Jensen selling all his stocks at peak (if he was fired). Then, this dude with $100B in the bank could've easily started an NVIIA competitor. He has every component needed for a success. This is why NVIDIA's board would never let this guy go.
cowlevel 10 hours ago
mschuster91 8 hours ago
mschuetz 9 hours ago
2OEH8eoCRo0 13 minutes ago
I think these trends happened to them despite Huang.
ricksunny 6 hours ago
I just was seeing very little advance-neutralizing of 1950s Red Scare talk in these comments.
gla67890543 10 hours ago
datahack 10 hours ago
nemonemo 10 hours ago
mi_lk 8 hours ago
ransom1538 9 hours ago
rdidjdi3748 9 hours ago
newterminus 9 hours ago
antonvs 7 hours ago
kelnos 7 hours ago
nonethewiser an hour ago
Not what you are doing, and I understand that's why they renamed the show but they shouldn't have. While it can be used as a racial slur it doesn't generally have that connotation. I think if you directly asked most people they would either not know about the slur or say something like "I think its a racist term for some group or something." I had to look it up myself to be sure. We can choose to let that usage of the term die.
JohnMakin 9 hours ago
latentsea 8 hours ago
nonethewiser an hour ago
specked-citrus 9 hours ago
This "what distraction are they trying to make" line is ridiculous conspiracism. It's completely obvious that someone leaked it to the NY Times because they are alarmed that the admin is doing nothing about what is obviously a huge national security problem.
sleight42 9 hours ago
hellgas00 9 hours ago
Consider that the leak destroys the legitimacy of Huang's lobbying efforts efforts against tighter chips controls to China. In parallel the NYT released yesterday their investigation into commerce dept approvals of h200 chips to Chinese entities that the NYT claims are ghost offices linked to Chinese military contractors [1]. Also consider that these events put Nvidia under long term congressional security oversight with an installed watch dog. Nvidia is losing it's autonomy to cut international deals. Seems like the CIA/permeant state is getting nervous about China again.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/07/business/economy/nvidia-c...
colechristensen 8 hours ago
camgunz 8 hours ago
sgt101 8 hours ago
Alternatively this could be a Chinese play designed to sow dissent and disruption in the USA post the mid-terms.
Or, it could just be a rather trivial story about an over confident and all to human titan of industry making the kind of mess in his personal life that a lot of people end up making - watch any TV mini series for example after example.
antonvs 7 hours ago
And China, really? What dissent is this going to cause? As for disruption, Nvidia essentially has a monopoly on what they do. Who the person in charge is, or what he’s doing, barely matters at this point.
> watch any TV mini series for example after example.
You might have been watching too many of those.
Betelbuddy 8 hours ago
CodeArtisan 8 hours ago
(May 2026) https://culperresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Culper...
4ggr0 5 hours ago
ilaksh 17 hours ago
This is just a total guess, but I assume what a lot of the board want is for him to sell as much to China or indirect channels as he can get away with. So whatever these deals were that involved this woman, they probably want him to get those deals through it he can get away with it (although they wouldn't admit it).
I see this more or less as Huang doing his job. And relative to international expectations at that level of wealth, one public affair is probably not something most of the board (presumably largely male) is going to (privately) judge him for.
So if the board is investigating, I assume what they are trying to figure out is if the US government is going to do anything (probably not) or waiting to see if there is going to be some kind of public demand for him to be removed. Or it there is something likely to come out that will cause either of those things.
avazhi 17 hours ago
Neither the board nor the US government nor investors nor the average person gives a shit about a CEO having an affair as long it doesn't compromise his ability to do his job well.
seanmcdirmid 17 hours ago
skippyboxedhero 16 hours ago
Also, just to be clear here: the story is that Jensen was also going to Taiwan to meet with this person who was helping Alibaba evade sanctions, when Jensen met with this person Alibaba reps were always there, and in the US Jensen was making media appearances saying that sanctions on China had to be lifted.
Bear in mind that multiple people at Supermicro were charged for allegedly smuggling servers to China, and that the reason Megaspeed is being investigated is for effectively the same thing. Jensen denied he had anything to do with Supermicro, it is going to be much harder to say the same thing here.
I don't think the affair itself is necessarily related to the direction this will shortly take.
anonymous908213 16 hours ago
MLK Jr. was being monitored by the FBI and CIA, who believed he was a Communist.
TychoCelchuuu 15 hours ago
UberFly 10 hours ago
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m10i 14 hours ago
What you need to be a smuggler is to avoid prison.
When one side is fully aware that you are a smuggler that they can rat on to the other side whenever they want, even a child could blackmail you.
So that's one (fairly realistic imo) pathway from smuggler -> to espionage.
This is a hypothetical anyways.
newsclues 14 hours ago
paimapi 13 hours ago
Contra-ry to common conspiracy theories, I'm certain any government-led self-investigation into culpability in this vein was all very aboveboard and well-substantiated, and such incidents never ever happened.
mlmonkey 11 hours ago
North Korea has entered the chat ...
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jon128 3 hours ago
Nothing is beyond our reach.
crossroadsguy 10 hours ago
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dannyw 17 hours ago
IMHO, I’m speculating, but I think the affair could’ve happened first, and then the MSS got involved for access and blackmail.
There is, after all, statistically a high correlation with rich billionaires and infidelity…
ElProlactin 9 hours ago
If you look at Megaspeed, it has Chinese state asset written all over it.
thenthenthen 3 hours ago
ElProlactin 2 hours ago
2. The company was originally set up as the subsidiary of a Chinese gaming company.
3. When the US added stricter export controls for Nvidia chips in 2023, it was spun off and ownership reportedly moved to a BVI shell company.
4. Later it was sold to a company that is apparently owned by one person who is believed to live in China.
5. The Singapore offices of the company and others he is an owner or director of show little activity and according to one report, the co-working space at the address listed for one didn't even have a record of the company.
6. Despite the fact that Megaspeed showed less than $6 million in cash at the end of 2023, it somehow became an Nvidia Cloud Partner and between 2024 and 2026 purchased $4.8 billion worth of advanced Nvidia chips, making it the top Nvidia chip buyer in ASEAN.
This company was on the radar of people in the industry well before this scandal because basically nobody had any idea who it was and where the money was coming from.
https://en.thairath.co.th/money/tech_innovation/tech_compani...
thenthenthen an hour ago
dcrazy 14 hours ago
bzax 12 hours ago
ramraj07 12 hours ago
lakeviewterrace 11 hours ago
What is interesting is the woman appears to be extremely mid-looking.
If there is a lesson to be learned from all these extremely powerful men cheating on their wives with objectively ordinary women (e.g. Gates, Bezos, Tiger Woods) it's that the most beautiful woman in the world is worth about the same as the woman that works at McDonald's.
cowlevel 11 hours ago
lakeviewterrace 11 hours ago
There is a more crude corollary to the theory that I chose to omit for decorum's sake:
P = P
ranger_danger 11 hours ago
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ThePinion 9 hours ago
https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/swalwell-and-fang-fan...
Diane Feinstein also had a Chinese spy for a driver for 20 years, though I'm going to assume for my own sanity that wasn't a sexual relationship.
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/details-chinese-sp...
I think this has been going on a very long time, it's just that these were politicians so I think everyone just brushed it off as "business as usual."
rapidaneurism 9 hours ago
numpad0 8 hours ago
2. The goal of honey trapping is to gain trust from the target to do whatever you want to do, not to please them. They don't even have to have an actual physical contact. A "mid", unassuming, appearance is often appropriate for this purpose. This actually applies to actual assassins, 100x engineers, and millionaire landlords, too; they gain nothing from standing out, so they look mid. You may optionally look good, but your looks should not be the means by which you achieve your goals.
3. (Extension to 2.)A rich CEO having affairs with a "mid" woman for a true extramarital love is probably more damaging to their relationships than them just disappearing into a hotel room with a prostitute with a bottle in hand. The latter is probably more tolerable to those involved and to the public.
4. Forgot where I read this, some diplomat's essay or something, but allegedly, Russians will do what you want to be happening, starting with regular office staffs and moms, escalating to scantily dressed girls, to visibly gay dudes, at which point they accept that their operation had been too obvious and give up. So there is a chance, I guess, if you must have it???
matwood 8 hours ago
There are memes that super-model looking women dating nerds are almost always spies of some sort. For this spy to have any chance at gaining real information she needed to have an actual relationship with Huang - which, see above, is more than looks alone.
noitpmeder 16 hours ago
pjjpo 10 hours ago
unsupp0rted 9 hours ago
* Corps maximize shareholder value
* Govs make laws/penalties to avoid too much harm/risk by corps
* Press keeps everybody accountable
It's great when everybody's doing what they're supposed to do, which obviously isn't often enough.
Unfortunate is when corps are so in bed with gov that they don't bother innovating or growing, and when press is so in bed with gov that they might as well not exist at all.
novia 12 hours ago
So male infidelity is not a big deal?
mlmonkey 11 hours ago
ctkhn 11 hours ago
GolfPopper 11 hours ago
steele 10 hours ago
jfrbfbreudh 9 hours ago
steele 7 hours ago
w10-1 16 hours ago
As always, recovery under stress is more telling than speed on the happy path.
The other name founders - Bezos, Zuckerberg, Jobs - fell into the guise of their own image propagating down their leadership chain; Huang seems to be actually leading, often by example. I'd expect his team to do ok without him, but believe only he could make some of the hard decisions, particularly now that their success is bounded by their customers'.
ihuk 6 hours ago
nonethewiser an hour ago
yibg 44 minutes ago
sspiff 20 minutes ago
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ionwake 17 hours ago
I know others have said this is a carefully written statement, but in my culture I would feel it would be rude not to keep it private? Sorry if this sounds autistic.
yeeetz 17 hours ago
butternet 17 hours ago
ethanj8011 17 hours ago
nonfamous 17 hours ago
antonymoose 16 hours ago
Perhaps this is a too big to fail scenario?
ergocoder 12 hours ago
1. Jensen is a billionaire who doesn't really need to work. This gives him a lot of leverage. He isn't desperate to make a living.
2. Imagine he is fired, unloads all stocks, and starts a new competing company. This would cause NVIDIA a much bigger issue, 10000x bigger.
3. Also, this means Jensen would get to unload the stock at the peak. Democrats won and is about to be way more responsible than Trump. Cue Luo Pai from Enron.
4. Dating a customer isn't really a big deal. Did her company get a preferential price? Treatment? I'd guess that her company doesn't make a dent in NVIDIA's revenue.
5. Her being a Chinese spy isn't Jensen's fault. If anything, he is a victim.
bmitc 12 hours ago
He cofounded the company over 30 years ago. He isn't just a rich person with a desk job he doesn't care about.
xhevahir 17 hours ago
urams 17 hours ago
barbacoa 17 hours ago
vigilantpuma 17 hours ago
Conscat 16 hours ago
m10i 14 hours ago
jdiff 14 hours ago
m10i 13 hours ago
It would not be considered appropriate for Jensen to be having an affair with someone underaged. That is the current subtext.
jdiff 8 hours ago
jacquesm 15 hours ago
m10i 14 hours ago
... only if she hates the word 'girl', I guess. Which we don't know. Personally, I know many grown women (30's, 40's+) who are perfectly alright with the word "girl". It is contextual, and often times cultural (i.e. your background).
No offense, but this is why it can often be pernicious to do drive-by virtue-signaling online.
> Unlike some other Americans Huang seems to at least have a preference for people who are no longer minors
What does this even mean?... do you think what you're implying is exclusive to Americans? Honestly that's what it sounds like.
vigilantpuma 14 hours ago
m10i 13 hours ago
But this isn't the workplace slack. And again, correcting is one thing, but only if you're unequivocally correct, which the above poster is not.
To be honest, it seems what they've mainly accomplished is cause a distraction from the substance of what the person was trying to convey.
vigilantpuma 13 hours ago
You are also not “unequivocally correct” so perhaps you are applying a standard to others you can’t live up to yourself.
m10i 12 hours ago
And instead of a clarification, you replied with a straw-man:
> perhaps you are applying a standard to others you can’t live up to yourself.
I never claimed to be "unequivocally correct”.
umeshunni 17 hours ago
TheAlchemist 17 hours ago
Unless the CEO happens to be the CEO of what is considered one of the most important company for national security and future, and his private life involves somebody who appears to be a spy for the biggest competitor for world hegemony. Then it's kind of big deal for everybody.
ricksunny 6 hours ago
thank you for maintining the WW1->Cold War era great-game / hegemonic frame. Nation-states love you for it.
glitchbot 17 hours ago
wrexx0r 17 hours ago
It also sounds like it was known something was going on with foreign agencies and Jensen, do this puts it out in the open and clears the air.
Lastly, if anyone was trying to use the affair as leverage over him, the best way to break the leverage is to just come out and spill the tea yourself (so to speak)
peeters 17 hours ago
- Is this person susceptible to blackmail from the secrets they're keeping?
- Has this person performed a notable breach of trust?
- Has this person displayed a notable lack of judgement?
Even when the alleged misconduct is private, #1 is of particular concern. Airing it out is an obvious way to lessen that specific concern. The allegations here raise the other concerns too, however.
Keyframe 17 hours ago
Bedding an adversarial entity's agent in a regulated field is a serious matter (for the company) with potentially serious consequences. It can lead to executive decapitation, it can even lead to / criminal investigations if the operative bypassed export controls using executive proximity.. the fallout can be great and widespread.
It can also be a nothingburger and an amusing page six divorce story in the end where we all read how rich cry as well. Time will tell. What's telling of where this might lead and how serious it is, is that it was US federal government that warned about this.
vigilantpuma 17 hours ago
hoppp 17 hours ago
However if he cheated with a chinese spy then he was targeted by China and that raises this to a national security risk.
bluegatty 17 hours ago
Brybry 16 hours ago
> “Our relationship, our interactions, have been related to Megaspeed, and it was all completely normal and not unusual,” [1]
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-10-29/nvidia-ce... => https://archive.li/ljGPF#selection-1731.0-1731.119
hackernud3s 17 hours ago
Not long I suspect, we don't expect much from tech CEOs. Nobody even remembers when Bezos cheated on his wife.
ahartmetz 17 hours ago
Everyone has some preferred types, but same body, different person is pretty creepy.
RussianBot9580 8 hours ago
pimeys 17 hours ago
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ChrisMarshallNY 17 hours ago
I never got to (or wanted to) see the images, but, by all reports, he ... er ... had nothing to be ashamed of.
peri-cl 16 hours ago
Technically, it was a saw. The Saudi King was mad at Bezos because of a column in the Washington Post (which Bezos had purchased).
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/21/amazon-bo...
> "Saudi experts – dissidents and analysts – told the Guardian they believed Bezos was probably targeted because of his ownership of the Post and its coverage of Saudi Arabia. Khashoggi’s critical columns about Mohammed bin Salman and his campaign of repression against activists and intellectuals rankled the crown prince and his inner circle."
ChrisMarshallNY 16 hours ago
bradlys 17 hours ago
Jensen is as powerful as any politician, if not more so. Same with Elon, etc.
If you don't want that then get rid of the ability for such individuals to amass so much power.
gfrttttttq 16 hours ago
ionwake 5 hours ago
octoberfranklin 15 hours ago
That's the real reason that this affair is a problem. It made him blackmailable.
golly_ned 15 hours ago
It's because the woman is a member of the PRC, and it's being made into a national security issue, regardless of whether he announces it or not.
The strategic thing is for him to come forward first.
m10i 14 hours ago
Because it's already public. This is called "getting ahead of/seizing the narrative"
kwisatzh 13 hours ago
not-kinsale-joe 7 hours ago
alexandre_m 2 hours ago
That is totally unprecedented.
net01 17 hours ago
zulux 17 hours ago
They tried every persona: Sexy, shy, homely. Same sex. Confrontational. Open, but scared her overseers would punish her. Still get a ping now and then.
NullPrefix 11 hours ago
tgv 4 hours ago
nonethewiser an hour ago
Im curious more about that. He was just some regular businessman acquaintance with no special knowledge? Was he fairly accurate and specific in his predictions?
listedb 8 hours ago
Detection and prevention is key
https://foxandlion.pub/analysis/traitors-among-us-who-is-vul...
theplumber 7 hours ago
That’s his personal life and I fail to see why are we supposed to behave like some kind of religious zealots on marriage.
The best way to handle this should probably be to be upfront about it so that he could not be blackmailed. His only mistake was that he didn’t disclose it earlier when rumours surfaced
catmanjan 7 hours ago
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dymk 42 minutes ago
boyka 7 hours ago
kelnos 7 hours ago
It's not about religion, it's about trust and keeping promises. Like it or not, the default understanding in a marital relationship in many places in the world is monogamy. Some people, of course, engage in other practices, after an explicit discussion, and agreement and understanding. But presumably Huang's wife believed she and her husband were in a monogamous relationship, and trusted Huang to keep it that way. That's the issue; religion is irrelevant. (And different religious practices have different things to say about monogamy vs. polyamory, and atheists decide for themselves if they want to be monogamists or polyamorists; religion need not be involved at all.)
But regardless, I think his infidelity is not his employees' business; IMO it's weird to bring it up in this way. The bit about his affair partner possibly(?) being a spy is the thing that actually matters to NVIDIA and NVIDIA employees, but he only dedicates a few sentences to it.
Klonoar 3 hours ago
That may be by design: the spying issue might hurt the stock/situation/etc more than the affair.
dymk 43 minutes ago
jonathanstrange 7 hours ago
The moralists also conveniently ignore that the vast majority of men is not very attractive. Cheating would take a lot of effort for them. In contrast, I knew some men who were attractive enough they had to fend off women almost daily. For them, not cheating takes a lot of effort. The bottomline is that most of the 5/10 guys who say "I would never cheat" would do so the very next day if a 9/10 woman suddenly got interested in them, which is exactly what happened in this case.
petterroea 10 hours ago
"I love our country and our company. I am committed to protecting NVIDIA and supporting America’s national security. I am proud and grateful to be an American." sounds like the exact words one would say if one expects to be threatened of being un-patriotic and therefore cancelled in the right-wing sense. In fact it sounds like something you would hear on South Park, it's a bit ridiculous. As others have pointed out in here, affair or not, the spy label is very much up to US government opinion.
iambateman 17 hours ago
I’m not sure if this will ruin Jensen’s life or not, but it’s a good opportunity for us all to remember that the short-term high is usually not worth it.
voidfunc 17 hours ago
His likely ex-wife is about to be very rich tho.
dannyw 17 hours ago
How much of NVIDIA’s sales and revenues is actually to China? Would that be allowed to happen still?
caminante 17 hours ago
If the camel had a back, then it was already broken, IMHO.
lotsofpulp 16 hours ago
caminante 16 hours ago
What? [0]
You just touch someone's lower back, throw an arm around their neck, and share seats for one at lounges with platonic friends?
[0] https://www.thetimes.com/world/asia/article/jensen-huang-rom...
mlmonkey 11 hours ago
crossroadsguy 10 hours ago
caminante 5 hours ago
Giving a source to someone who hasn't done any checking and asserts a falsehood is not inhumane.
lotsofpulp 3 hours ago
caminante 2 hours ago
"shallow dismissals" are against HN guidelines [0]. Worse, the article dates the paparazzi photos pre-2026.
lotsofpulp 2 hours ago
Given the celebrity status of Jensen, it seemed unlikely that scandalous photos of him would be publicly distributed and it not already have been a huge story.
It is possible the scandalous pictures (not just him walking in front of her or sitting next to her) were already floating around, and I am not up-to-date on celebrity scandals, and the wife was already planning a divorce, as you claim.
But without those photos, it could be the wife is finding out about the affair just now.
I still have not seen the pictures you are referring to, but I’m not that interested to look for them either.
caminante 2 hours ago
> I still have not seen the pictures you are referring to, but I’m not that interested to look for them either.
I figured you were acting in bad faith because the article addressed your question and you didn't mention you skipped the article.
Not mentioning is categorical bad faith-- another HN guidelines faux pas. Then, you double down with "not interested."
Please don't be toxic to others, too.
ungovernableCat 16 hours ago
And there’s cheating on your wife and having the feds write up intelligence reports about it, the Financial Times running an article about it and having to send a public admission to every single employee at your company including your two kids who you employ there.
caminante 14 hours ago
Don't kid yourself about the reason he wrote the letter. He's only writing this because of national security optics and buries it in a shit sandwich format.
gizajob 10 hours ago
This video of Lex Friedman and Jensen hanging out and drinking in Taiwan came out 3 weeks ago. Jensen and his wife seem pretty happy together in it. So today’s news is genuinely new news or they’d already gone over it and sorted it out. Jensen seems to do a lot of booze fuelled entertaining…
caminante 5 hours ago
Why?
They'd been photod publicly since 2024.
nozzlegear 12 hours ago
She was already rich
briansm 9 hours ago
ergocoder 12 hours ago
But I agree with you that both of them or one of them will be very rich because they will get to sell at the top without upsetting the market.
OH NO WE HAVE TO SELL BECAUSE OF THE DIVORCE NOW. BEFORE THE DEMOCRATS NUKE AI COMPANIES. OH NO. [insert croc tears here]
You can google Luo Pai (from Enron) to learn more.
mmmBacon 11 hours ago
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Betelbuddy 17 hours ago
rustyhancock 17 hours ago
But I'm not sure how hard it would be to resist a honey trap.
I mean a state sponsored enterprise to get you to have sex with someone (or one of a group of people).
Getting him to have sex with her was literally this woman's day job and she was probably told it was a matter of national security.
It is quite absurd once you think about it.
olyjohn 16 hours ago
ungovernableCat 16 hours ago
This is just deeply embarrassing. His adult children both work for his company so they’d also receive this exact memo.
crossroadsguy 10 hours ago
0x073 11 hours ago
It's easy for a professional with china backend to play with your feelings, much easier if you have normal family life or worse.
Is the woman likable it's just a matter of times. (Independent of the gender)
If this happens within a week, I would agree, if this happens within months the gender you like can makes your heart jump if you are I a very long term relationship.
shakow 5 hours ago
The guy has enough money to have sex parties with the prettiest girls on Earth every single night until the end of his life, I'm pretty sure resisting a state-sponsored honeypot is not the hardest thing ever.
giwook 17 hours ago
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hackernud3s 17 hours ago
People continue to under-value the spank bank. SMH.
reenorap 16 hours ago
TheAlchemist 16 hours ago
AI and chips are, for better or worse, considered a national security matter.
krainboltgreene 12 hours ago
ramraj07 12 hours ago
TheAlchemist 10 hours ago
Spy is rather easy to define though, and it hardly depends on what the State Department decides (although of course, they can call anybody a spy, for political or other reasons, I agree on that).
muddi900 9 hours ago
It is perfectly reasonable to suspect similar claims of catching "spies".
bigDinosaur 7 hours ago
Will you next claim that the police have never really prevented a murder?
muddi900 30 minutes ago
Not only that you think the reporting is not reliable because of the reporter without pointing out what is wrong with the actual report.
But I'll humor you.
- Here is the judge calling the US government the co-conspirator in the same case: https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/07/27/judge-quest...
- The Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot:
- https://www.rawstory.com/plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor/
- https://reason.com/2022/04/08/gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-pl...
- The liberty city seven: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna22249838
- The cleveland bomb plot: https://truthout.org/articles/cleveland-anarchist-bomb-plot-...
- Sami Osmakac: https://archive.is/NINN0
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These are all the cases that had some investigative reporter poking, or the jury/judge seeing through the bullshit. Here is initial reporting on recent cases. The "Iranian Agent" sent to "Assassinate Donald Trump"(emphasis mine):
>Asif Merchant traveled to New York in June for the purpose of meeting with men he thought he was recruiting to carry out the killings, even paying a $5,000 advance to two would-be assassins who were actually undercover law enforcement officers, federal officials said
https://www.ksat.com/news/politics/2024/08/06/pakistani-man-...
The woman arrested for "plotting to bomb the NY state capital":
>According to the criminal complaint, an FBI confidential source drove Bowie to the Home Depot in Rensselaer and gave her $200 to buy bomb parts. It’s not clear if they told her what items to buy.
https://cbs6albany.com/news/local/feds-say-capital-bombing-t...
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This is not some fringe idea even here on HN. Here is a clear fed trying incite people to commit violence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49629430
This common in most internet forums. It is called fedposting: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fedpost
I hope all of these sources are of sound character by your standards. Now I would ask you; can you give me an example of the FBI catching a terrorist that:
a) They did not recruit, or b) Did not provide materials, or c) did not provide the target
AS for the police in the US, they are indeed very bad at preventing crime. Though that is due to multiple reasons, mostly policy related, rather than institutional malfeasance like the FBI.
p_j_w 15 hours ago
It might if he loves his wife.
reenorap 14 hours ago
m10i 14 hours ago
reenorap 14 hours ago
Are you saying this was an accident and he didn't have control over himself?
If he doesn't have control over himself and he isn't accountable for his actions, then how does that factor into him being the CEO of the most important globally strategic company in the world? Are you saying that he is capable of making actions that he isn't in full control over? Does Nvidia need to have a CEO that doesn't accidentally make mistakes like potentially giving secret information to Chinese spies?
kridsdale1 11 hours ago
4ggr0 5 hours ago
meaning that women are more likely to be robots? wasn't aware of this, gotta try doing turing tests on women around me.
happytoexplain 11 hours ago
It is, of course, not an automatic fact. The context here is emotions, so it makes no sense to point only to agency as proof of an emotional "fact". Such a thing doesn't even exist.
crossroadsguy 10 hours ago
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happytoexplain 11 hours ago
Lamentably, people don't have cartoon emotions. Life would be so much easier if they did.
m10i 14 hours ago
I agree, though.
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edit: Funny enough, there's a House of Cards scene that goes over this exact scenario. Francis is sleeping with Zoe the reporter (they're both using each other for the perks/their own agendas). When Claire finds out, her response is something like "you know you must not embarrass me (publicly) with this", which Francis already knew because he would never do that to Claire... she doesn't say those exact words, but that was the vibe.
DANmode 11 hours ago
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SecretDreams 16 hours ago
I think what you've just described is "post nut clarity". I'm sure he knew what he did immediately, but the gravity of the consequences might've taken a bit to catch up to him.
jmyeet 11 hours ago
I think it says a lot about what wealth does to you. A lot of people dream of wealth but I suspect many would be less than thrilled by the reality. It must be incredibly isolating. You constantly have to fend off people who are trying to use you. It must make it harder to trust anyone. A lot of ordinary life experiences are now barred to you.
For example, a lot of executives in these trillion dollar companies are forbidden from flying commercial for security reasons. Nobody would think about missing the airport and everything that entails. In most places it's an objectively awful experience but it's still a shared experience. Going to a private FBO by helicopter to take a Global 7500 direct to your destination is something only a tiny portion of the population can relate to.
So I think this kind of isolation makes such wealthy and/or powerful people more susceptible to this kind of thing because, in a way, they're starved from a lot of human interaction and experiences in a way most of us can't understand (and wouldn't want).
What really is the point of somebody hoarding this much wealth? You kind of have to have sociopathic tendencies (IMHO) because such wealth simply cannot exist without the impoverishment of millions of people. And for you it's kind of a golden prison.
[1]: https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2014/04/sergey-brin-amanda-...
bee_rider 11 hours ago
cowlevel 10 hours ago
I might not like airport lines but I'd hate to be forbidden from going through that process. I also couldn't just walk down the street to get a pizza. Or go out dancing at night. Or to play board games. Or take a random walk or bike ride around the city. If I was rich and everyone knew it, I'd have to live in a bubble.
That's different from "comfortable rich" where you own your own home and a retirement fund and live mostly normally.
bathtub365 10 hours ago
gizajob 10 hours ago
hnfong 9 hours ago
Well, not necessarily. Jensen Huang was famous for going to random food stalls in Taiwan and eating street food.
It might be harder and riskier, and I get what you mean, but it's not like you actually can't do those things.
Also maybe it's not necessarily a billionaire thing, but more like a fame thing. Billionaires tend to get famous just due to being rich, but I'd imagine a random person wouldn't recognize 80+% of the people on the billionaire list if they saw the billionaire chomping down a pizza in the local pizza place.
bee_rider 19 minutes ago
If asked he could say he works for a company that makes some computer part.
“Are they well known?”
“Kinda, but mostly datacenters buy them, you probably don’t own one.”
GolfPopper 11 hours ago
djray 10 hours ago
And it really doesn't help that all these tech bro billionaires think Ayn Rand was a good writer with some fine ideas.
cowlevel 10 hours ago
gizajob 10 hours ago
agent_turtle 6 hours ago
jmyeet 2 hours ago
The last paragraph of my comment basically calls these billionaires sociopaths because you have to be to enrich yourself off the backs of making millions of people poor. How is that a defense of billionaires?
My point is that the "prize" isn't even worth it. It doesn't make you happy. Actually there's one way it seems to make them happy: by enjoying the suffering of others and having the power to influence people and even governments. But to what end?
gizajob an hour ago
>So I think this kind of isolation makes such wealthy and/or powerful people more susceptible to this kind of thing because, in a way, they're starved from a lot of human interaction and experiences in a way most of us can't understand (and wouldn't want).
You’re saying here that they’re “starved” of the human contact most of us take for granted (for example in standing around an airport and being squeezed into economy). This is thus a cause for heart-bleeding.
Ingvar Kamprad flew economy and drove an old Volvo. Being extremely wealthy doesn’t have to come with this kind of isolation. If Sergei Brin was flying economy, most of the plane wouldn’t realise who he was and the few who did would be like “oh look it’s Sergei Brin, weird.”
ryanjshaw 9 hours ago
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anonymous908213 14 hours ago
[1]https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/shanghai-to-s-f-flig...
[2]https://www.macrumors.com/2019/01/11/apple-united-airline-pu...
ppsreejith 11 hours ago
From the book: Apple in China
stingrae 9 hours ago
flowerlad 17 hours ago
nemomarx 17 hours ago
It's hard to say from the outside what the goals would be - pushing him in certain directions, extracting intel, etc.
flowerlad 17 hours ago
For this it would be much easier if the Chinese spies banged Nvidia engineers.
interlocutor 17 hours ago
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ii41 15 hours ago
That's Japan. Don't make it sound like other parts of Asia are like this.
shrubble 14 hours ago
Also the French, so it’s not exclusively a practice of East Asian people.
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silverFork 12 hours ago
Malaysia doesnt even show up in the graph of owners but obviously has imported some chips.. were they illegal ones.. who knows. How much relative power does this malaysia have? If it did, wouldnt show up in the graph?
https://epoch.ai/data/ai-chip-owners?view=graph&tab=count&co...
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