https://www.axios.com/2026/11/08/nvidia-ceo-jensen-huang-aff..., https://archive.ph/Hxn5h

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/06/us/politics/chinese-spy-a..., https://archive.ph/atMcp

https://www.cnn.com/2026/11/08/business/nvidia-investigation...

Pentamerous 7 hours ago

Opinions on the affair and the public discourse aside, I have to say though that it is the first time in a long time that I see an apology letter written from a business person in the name of the company that actually admits wrongdoing and has accountability.

Usually they are more along the lines of fake apologies like "I'm sorry that you feel that way", or in this particular case I would imagine something like "I'm sorry that I was spied on, I was doing my best and nothing prepared me to deal with a foreign agent".

It's refreshing to see words like "My responsibility is to serve you and be worthy of your trust. I have fallen short of that responsibility. I am fully committed to NVIDIA and will work to earn back your confidence.".

wewewedxfgdf 6 hours ago

"I'm very sorry I got caught."

Look, Jensen got whatever he wanted, China got the GPUs it wanted - China also turned Jensen into a staunch advocate for selling GPUs to China - everything's good - everyone wins.

"Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang challenged US export controls on advanced semiconductors, arguing that continued technology collaboration and access to the Chinese market are ultimately in America’s best interest. Speaking to reporters in South Korea this week, Huang described China as a “singular, vital, important, dynamic market, and nobody can replace that.” He asserted he would continue campaigning for full access to this market, stating he is "optimistic" that China will remain a key consumer of US chips."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/nvi...

He's not a traitor or a spy he's a capitalist wanting to make money - that's the American way.

torben-friis 6 hours ago

I'm being a bit weirded out to see, for this story (not just this thread), how the top comments are positive takes on Jensen.

He's a victim, he apologizes well, he's working with the board on this...

Is HN just this millionare-friendly? astroturfed?

Not that I expect a metaphorical lynching, but it's certainly a take when the news is "one of the most important roles in the US is potentially losing national secrets by absurd oversight".

nomorewords 6 hours ago

I'm not American but having retirement money be in the markets creates some wild downstream effects

Capricorn2481 6 hours ago

> Is HN just this millionare-friendly

He is a billionaire and people here fall over themselves idolizing figures like him. You get the sense reading HN comments that they respect founders they don't know more than their own spouse or kids.

yreg 6 hours ago

> Is HN just this millionare-friendly?

What do you mean by this, should we be negative about him because he is rich?

torben-friis 6 hours ago

No, you should be negative about him because he's exposing an industry to sexual blackmail and espionage in a position way too high to not know better.

I'm implying him being rich is making people blind to this fact.

lukan 6 hours ago

He had an affair(into which he was lured by someone professional) and accepted his fault and responsibility. He did not poison people for profit and tried to hide it, so personally I see this more as a internal family issue for him and not so much the worlds buisness.

torben-friis 6 hours ago

If he had stored an important password on a postit on his laptop, would you call that a private matter?

I'm personally not interested in the morals of cheating, but claiming this is a private issue is crazy, as is removing his agency and implying it was something done to him. You don't fall in a random's bed by stumbling.

codeduck 5 hours ago

"Oops, I tripped and somehow my penis ended up inside them."

bartread 5 hours ago

> If he had stored an important password on a postit on his laptop, would you call that a private matter?

Whoa, whoa, who, whoa, whoa! You know the rules: no leaking next week’s headlines in advance. What kind of outfit do you think we’re running here?

I do agree though: regardless of whether the woman is a Chinese agent or not, and regardless of whether he knew or suspected (I doubt he did), this affair represents a serious lapse in judgement that has implications far beyond his personal life.

If you can be compromised personally, you can certainly be compromised professionally.

I suspect it won’t happen, because it would likely tank the stock, but really he should be thinking about resigning.

joyeuse6701 2 hours ago

True, you get seduced. You think Russian and Chinese spy agencies leave these things to chance?

figmert 5 hours ago

While I agree with the top level in this thread that it _is_ refreshing to see someone like Jensen taking responsibility for once, I disagree that we should absolve him of all wrong doings. This is also not just a personal matter. If this person was indeed a Chinese spy (I believe this is still not confirmed), then that can have big impact on NVDA. Naturally, it may also not have any impact, but regardless, if it is the former, it certainly is not an internal family issue.

lukan 4 hours ago

"I disagree that we should absolve him of all wrong doings"

I did not. If there was more to it, leaked confidentials, blackmailed deals etc. then yes, he will be responsible. There is an investigation. But what is known, so far he "just" cheated on his wife. And this is what they have to deal with.

mrngld 3 hours ago

Whether it happened or not I don't think is relevant, the lack of judgment in opening himself to blackmail, etc., was a lapse in judgment that at least IMHO disqualifies him from leading one of the most valuable and strategically important companies on the planet.

For what it's worth, I believe the military would agree, that would lead to a pretty quick loss of security clearances.

The dude isn't running a McDonalds franchise, after all. Everyone is saying he "took responsibility". No, he admitted it after it was already public (which is no great act of courage), now the board needs to actually make him accountable. And unemployed.

antihero 4 hours ago

I'm not sure why we should give a fuck unless she was a spy or whatever.

Edit: Oh

watwut 4 hours ago

Based on HN, a programmer who used company laptop for interview is total irresponsible unprofessional looser, no one should hire him. Whoever says something else is heavily downvoted.

CEO who gets honey-trapped by stripper agent ... is well meaning smartest person ever.

akoboldfrying 2 hours ago

Very apt and timely comparison.

joyeuse6701 2 hours ago

I think this is the wrong take. Being rich doesn’t suddenly reduce people’s humanity.

Assuming the spy angle to be true, He IS a victim as a target of a concentrated effort by a nation state to compromise him.

If all it took to compromise US national security was for a nation state to exploit the oldest backdoor in the human/male psyche, then I’d say there’s something wrong with the national security defense strategy.

Don’t blame the single point of failure, blame the design, maybe the designers.

It should never have been possible.

Having said that, Russia/China wouldn’t use this strategy unless it worked against most powerful men and their psyche.

yibg an hour ago

I see a lot of comments like this, but I’m not sure people thinks he should’ve done. He cheated on his wife, that’s a bad thing. But let’s say he was single and got into bed with a spy, the situation wouldn’t be any better for I’m. So, what’s the actual criticism?

- he should’ve been more careful? How?

- he should never get into a romantic relationship because they could be a spy?

Capricorn2481 6 hours ago

The implication is that HN commenters have a tendency to attribute more humanity and depth to rich and powerful figures than they do "nobodies."

dolkycape 6 hours ago

A lot of users here probably have a lot of Nvidia stock in their portfolio.

ForHackernews 5 hours ago

At the risk of stereotyping, even more users here wish pretty women would pay lots of attention to them.

ubercore 5 hours ago

Even while admitting that this apology genuinely is one of the better ones I've seen, I am with you. The response is a bit... fawning.

127 5 hours ago

It's stockholder psychosis. Similar to AI psychosis. It's easy to convince the poor to defend you when you give them the illusion that their fortunes are riding with yours.

ethbr1 5 hours ago

Because Huang's decision to invest heavily in CUDA and GPGPU for years and support it across their entire consumer and enterprise product stack, before even crypto, was impressively prescient.

Say what you want about the Altmans who lucked into a rising tide, but Nvidia has been doing hard engineering, consistently delivered, strategically brilliantly for a couple decades now.

Plus, the primary risk here isn't that secrets were exposed but rather that Huang attempts to hide the thing and makes himself vulnerable to blackmail. The facts leaking (three letter agency off the record?) nuked that possibility.

solenoid0937 3 hours ago

It is rewriting history to think that this was prescience.

They lucked into being the available useful product when the transformer dropped. This was not some megabrain multi year preparation they had been doing.

Jensen did attempt to hide the affair. That's why it was an affair. Even now he does not mention the fact that he sold billions of dollars of chips to his girlfriend's shell company, violating export controls and creating a NatSec risk.

ethbr1 2 hours ago

GPGPU across the product line with a stable programming interface isn't contingent on LLM success.

It was a bet that the future would need more streaming parallel compute, and GPUs were well-placed to deliver it.

That's a shrewd bet, and one AMD (and Intel) were stupid not to also make.

figmert 3 hours ago

I don't know about HN being millionaire-friendly (it probably is), but right now it looks like prop 40 (one-off tax of 5% on billionaires) in California is about to fail. Make of that what you will.

nonethewiser an hour ago

Can you explain how he's not a victim of a Chinese intelligence operation?

Clearly his wife is the victim of him cheating. And he's a victim of a foreign intelligence operation.

It doesn't even mean he deserves sympathy but I see no rational basis for saying he's not a victim of anything here.

coef2 6 hours ago

I felt the same way. I can see his remorse and genuine care for his family which makes me feel a bit sad.

ldite 5 hours ago

...you do realise that every word of this would have been written by a top-flight crisis management PR agency?

He would have presumably signed off on it, but refusing to do, or questioning their judgement, would look very bad to the board.

ethbr1 5 hours ago

That doesn't explain why other similar letters, written with similar PR resources, always fail to meaningfully apologize.

bushido 4 hours ago

Not being facetious, but it is very possible that the person/people in the PR team who wrote it were familiar with similar situations or had a higher emotional intelligence.

kevmo314 4 hours ago

Are you suggesting that so many other companies’ PR teams are simply incompetent?

sznio 3 hours ago

yeah. most people i see anywhere are incompetent.

notenchange 2 hours ago

Including at your own job? Or does it apply only to other people?

I also see this behavior quite a lot in people that claim that meritocracy doesn’t exist in our society. But they never go far enough to end point where they admit they don’t deserve their own job.

bushido 38 minutes ago

> Are you suggesting that so many other companies’ PR teams are simply incompetent

No.

I'm suggesting that a writers emotional intelligence and personal experience can show up in their writing. Especially, when the party they're writing for is receptive of the style/direction.

brookst 2 hours ago

So they are top-flight PR and crisis management companies that are terrible at emotional intelligence, and Huang just got lucky that rather than hiring one of the apparently-universally-incompetent companies, Nvidia hired the one good one, which nobody elsewhere thought to hire before?

And that’s a simpler answer than Huang actually wanting a more direct apology?

bushido an hour ago

> And that’s a simpler answer than Huang actually wanting a more direct apology

I never said that. Both things can be true at the same time.

bpicolo 4 hours ago

Well, usually the source of information isn't U.S. intelligence agencies via the NYT

SilasX 2 hours ago

I assume in those cases that's because they're up against constraints about what they can say without incurring legal liability.

cynicalkane 4 hours ago

The PR agency writes what one of the world's most powerful CEOs tells them to write. They can strongly advise sounding sincere, but it's not their decision. I would venture that the reason so many corporate and celebrity apologies sound fake is simply because the client doesn't want to do a real one.

Sounding sincere doesn't mean they actually are, but it does mean they didn't let their ego get in the way of it, which is more than can be said about many who would be caught in a position like this, rich or not.

q3k 4 hours ago

They played you like a fiddle. Your comment will end up on some PR agency's pitch deck.

It's so depressing to see people eat this up.

A_Venom_Roll 4 hours ago

Curious what you think would be the 'correct' course of action in such a scenario

program_whiz 4 hours ago

The GP isn't saying Jensen took the wrong action, he's saying that this is a carefully crafted message from a top PR firm, and that the posters saying how its "genuine and heartfelt, I can see he really cares" are just eating it up. Those lines will become advertising for the agency as they land the next big client, like book reviews, but for the "publicly vulnerable executive" PR package.

Its not that Jensen is wrong, its a good play, the GP is just saying how sad it is to watch people eating this up like they think Jensen cracked open his laptop and drafted a note, pushed it up to the public web site, then forwarded it to axios or something.

There were lots of people involved in a carefully crafted rollout, the wording of which has nothing to do with how Jensen or his family are handling this. We will never know how he personally feels or how any of this really played out behind closed doors. For all we know he and his wife are talking divorce and shouting it out and this piece is just crafted damage control.

A_Venom_Roll 4 hours ago

I can definitely see where you're coming from, but I think both can be true at the same time: Jensen regretting genuinely what happened and taking responsibility, while the PR department also steered and approved the message.

GP's take seems to assume bad faith, regardless of the message. Mu question was aimed at finding out what GP would actually consider a "genuine" response in this situation.

akoboldfrying 2 hours ago

The problem is precisely that there is no reliable way to discern "genuine" from "competently synthesised".

Many social situations have this signalling problem -- in fact I would say it's the rule, and the exception is the case where it's rational to believe another person's signals because it's known to be costly to generate them.

gramie 2 hours ago

"The most important thing in show business is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made"

noisy_boy an hour ago

> GP's take seems to assume bad faith, regardless of the message. Mu question was aimed at finding out what GP would actually consider a "genuine" response in this situation.

We have no way of knowing what he feels genuinely regardless of the words which doubtlessly were crafted by experts and approved by him. We do know his actions that caused this though. And the only real and verifiable thing will be future actions. Rest is fluff.

DivingForGold 3 hours ago

<For all we know he and his wife are talking divorce and shouting it out and this piece is just crafted damage>

...just like Bill Gates and Bezos, both were found to be "foolin around" behind the backs of their spouses. A pic of a young Russian babe appears on the net with Gates. Money = power and corrupts most of us. But to Huang's credit, it likely was not he that "chased down" this Chinese spy. The Spy was the one coaxing him into an affair.

It's sort of like 1st degree versus 2nd degree. If you kill a person in cold blooded murder it is 1st degree, but if you have a good reason, or, are "lured" into the act, it's 2nd degree. I would argue for 2nd degree in this case.

solenoid0937 3 hours ago

Acknowledging that he compromised US national security by selling billions of dollars of chips to the shell company his spy girlfriend worked for.

carlosjobim 3 hours ago

What do you genuinely believe that a person looses if they choose empathy? And what does a person win if they choose the opposite?

Let's say there was a false apology. And a person here on HN fell for it. What exactly have they lost by falling for it? Let's say a person here on HN didn't fall for it. What exactly did they win?

People get to caught up in being right and "not being a sucker" that they forget if it's worth their time and worry. It seems people are most competitive when stakes are the lowest and there's nothing to gain.

None of us here have any stake in this.

LightBug1 4 hours ago

So said every adulterer ever, after the event ... fuck that bullshit.

I'm not saying crucify him. We all make mistakes. But he doesn't deserve your sadness. His family does.

He made a horrible mistake which should serve as a cautionary tale and reminder to us ... that's all.

And the spy angle, and how that's being defended? Nauseating ...

freeopinion 2 hours ago

I think it is proper to have compassion. It is ok to be sad for him as well as his family. That doesn't mean you absolve him of consequence.

If he was goofing around trying to juggle a bowling ball and it slipped and smashed the coffee table next to him, I could feel sorry for him. I'd still expect him to pay for the damage.

Doing stupid things with a bowling ball and cheating on your wife and family are not the same level error. I can still feel sorry for him in his mistake. And I can still expect him to pay for the damage. In this case, it isn't paying for a new coffee table. And it isn't just writing a public letter.

The levels of trust he has violated are deep. Not just for his wife and family. He has been smoozing the President of the U.S. to influence U.S. foreign policy towards China. Do we trust this was for the best interest of the U.S.? The world? So that his company could make more money? Or for his personal gratification?

I believe in second chances. I think he can work to rebuild trust. But rebuilding trust doesn't mean you start over with 100% trust. Put him back in the mail room and trust him with small things. Then trust him with increasingly important things as he earns that trust back. Maybe someday he might earn back enough trust to regain his current position. Ok, maybe don't restart him in the mail room. But don't restart him where he is.

--

All of the above is a mostly useless opinion. I am not on the board. I am not in any position to dictate anything about the situation. It is mostly none of my business. I just offer it as some food for thought for anyone trying to form their own philosophy. Consider compassion with consequences.

wildmXranat 3 hours ago

Uh, Do you feel sad for his family or sad for him, because I think he's a real POS. We men should lead by example. He's a leader, but behaves like a weak coward.

It's not hard to keep it zipped up in the pants.

noJiveTV 3 hours ago

you sound sheltered. Everyone is tested with that which could possibly take them out.

solenoid0937 3 hours ago

Cheating is not "being tested", no one made him fuck a spy.

LightBug1 3 hours ago

You rather confirm the OP's point.

Mr Huang was tested, and failed that test.

He was weak when he should have led.

I've said before. He doesn't deserve crucifixion, but he doesn't deserve your/a defence.

Save your words for his family.

Rando's leaping to the defence of an adulterer is a lame look.

joyeuse6701 2 hours ago

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

dezsiszabi 2 hours ago

I judge and I expect others to judge me. Like a normal person. But you do you.

gjsman-1000 2 hours ago

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among you.

Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

notenchange 2 hours ago

It’s interesting the lengths people here go to blame the victim, but not the Chinese CCP.

You know, the ones that actually did the spying.

brookst 2 hours ago

That’s an odd take. The CCP was literally doing their job, just like US and other spy agencies also engage in espionage. Whether or not they “should” be doing so is a geopolitical debate that it’s easy to moralize about but difficult to change.

Huang had many responsibilities that he failed to live up to. Sure, he’s a victim of sorts, but he also failed everyone.

LightBug1 2 minutes ago

Sorry, pathetic.

It was the Mr Huang's personal weakness that enabled the spying.

I've said before. This was a private matter, and I will not crucify him for his mistake / weakness - though it does speak somewhat to his character.

However, the spying element of this is absolutely deserving of blame. The personal weakness he's shown has enabled a national security risk. That's no small thing.

Let's pretend I took drugs and got caught. That's a personal matter.

Now let's pretend I took drugs and then ran over a family while driving. It's no longer 'just' a personal matter and without intent. But I bet you'd still blame me as my personal failing led to significant harm.

The 'victim', in relation to spying, absolutely is deserving of blame here because his adjacent personal failings led to public harm.

oenvoendoskfk an hour ago

I agree he is a real POS. But this “we, the men” discourse is insane to hear/read in the 21st century.

coef2 an hour ago

I've heard Bill Gates had two affairs. It's hard for me to be sympathetic for his actions. Jensen being targeted by a spy agency and fell for it could be a little more nuanced than that. I want to learn about what exactly happened. I'm not denying his failure in any case.

montjoy an hour ago

Bill Gates is a good example. If you’ve heard him talk about it it’s pretty clear he still loves his ex wife and would get back with her if he could. People make mistakes. People with that much money and power are dropped into situations most of us can’t imagine.

dezsiszabi 2 hours ago

They're just words, brother. Don't get fooled by anything a CEO says. They say whatever people want to hear.

brookst 2 hours ago

I’m so tired of the rote cynicism. If he doesn’t apologize, it proves a sociopath billionaire who cares for nobody. If he apologizes, it proves he’s a sociopath billionaire who cares for nobody. I’m reminded of Life of Brian.

We can’t know what he really thinks, but as apologies go, this is a good one. And it’s not healthy to see every piece of evidences as further proof of one’s own unshakable beliefs.

qlte 41 minutes ago

It's entirely logically consistent: these are just words, any combination of them doesn't change that.

When people say that the implication is they expect to see some action beyond issuing a statement.

pointlessone 6 hours ago

Responsibility is only mentioned in the context of who to contact regarding this. It’s basically do not bother my wife I cheated on, she only found out about it from the news like all of you.

Responsibility implies consequences and as far as I can tell there are none so far, other than minor embarrassment.

jaynate 5 hours ago

He has tremendous EQ

rithdmc 5 hours ago

He didn't seem to leverage that when deciding to have a prolonged affair.

ukblewis 4 hours ago

And that is very unfortunate. Maybe we all need better access to therapy and mental health care… billionaires included

program_whiz 4 hours ago

Haha, wow, yeah I'm sure the reason for all this was that Jensen couldn't find a therapist. Aside from assuming he cheated for mental health reasons (not sure where you get that, maybe he just wanted some strange), the man could literally buy an entire therapy practice for his private use or just put one on $250k retainer to be available at all times. I would be surprised if they didn't have coaches / mental health professionals that attend to him all the time anyway.

Sometimes people cheat, especially when they have lots of offers, money, free time, travel, and time away from family. It feels good, and gives a sweet rush of dopamine, and is part of men's biological wiring and selected for over the eons.

oenvoendoskfk an hour ago

It only feels good if the act of cheating is what get you off, which, then again, is another problem entirely.

And please, no, cheating is not part of “men’s biological wiring”. Not one is “wired to cheat”. It’s a choice. A conscious choice. We have enough will power to stop ourselves at any moment regardless of whatever bullshit “wiring” theory you might have. It was his choice and he chose poorly. Simple as that.

It always astounds me how billionaires (of all people) can be the stupidest people on Earth while also being the most powerful people on Earth.

Power doesn’t corrupt, power seeks the corrupt.

program_whiz 38 minutes ago

Yes, crazy how ignoring the evidence for all of human history to support your theory means that otherwise the most rational, educated, successful people in the world are complete buffoons.

On the other hand if we are partially controlled by biological drives, it explains these patterns we repeatedly observe, despite the consequences. I posit Jensen is not among "the stupidest people on earth" but that the skills that allow him to head a trillion dollar company are separate from the have-an-affair part of his biology. Of course, you could be right, maybe Bezos, Gates, Juang, Clinton, and others are just really stupid.

rithdmc 18 minutes ago

Cheating is not part of men's biological wiring. Survival and procreation are, and monogamy is a new enough concept.

Aerroon 4 hours ago

Or maybe "therapy and mental healthcare" are simply not up to the task and it's not a matter of access?

wooger 4 hours ago

with an obvious Chinese honey-trap spy.

figmert 3 hours ago

Hindsight bias.

ape4 3 hours ago

I wonder what the pillowtalk was like: so are you ramping up production of product ABC, honey

qlte 28 minutes ago

See the TV series The Americans for a fictional depiction.

You know product ABC has ongoing yield problems from an outside source. Wait for moment when Person Z looks burnt out/stressed/etc and walk through emotional available "you can talk to me about anything" routine.

Don't pry about specific topic but wait until Person Z volunteers some vague conflict at work you know is the yield issue and try to gently redirect conversation using your insider knowledge Person Z isn't aware of to specific area you're interested in.

program_whiz 4 hours ago

His PR firm definitely does, this piece gives no indication of how Jensen is actually feeling or his EQ. I assure you he didn't draft this and push to a public website. There are literal investigations of national security implications, as well as billions on the line over this. This is the most strategic and controlled rollout of a story you will ever read. The wording is designed perfectly to minimize impact to stock:

1. take responsibility (by saying you take responsibility, hopefully there is no actual fallout from this). 2. Admit wrong doing (people hate someone who tries to cover up) 3. Talk about how much you love your family and how wonderful they are and you would never want to hurt them (relatable). 4. Write in a tone of sincere regret to avoid any public backlash (stock price depends on this).

GlacierFox 4 hours ago

Do you have a lot of Nvidia stock? . Embarrassing reading this.

sspiff 4 hours ago

I feel like with all the stuff coming out and congress and Nvidia both looking into it, it was only a matter of time before the facts became public and he's getting ahead of it this way.

gokuljs 4 hours ago

The phrases “I’m sorry” and “I take responsibility” are like Flex Tape for any problem.

Lu2025 3 hours ago

Words are still empty without actions. He chose not to take any.

mgoetzke 3 hours ago

So because he was tricked he must resign ?

Pikamander2 2 hours ago

Who among us can say that we haven't accidentally slept with a Chinese corporate spy at some point?

Happens to the best of us, really.

Insanity 3 hours ago

What action would you have him take?

And honestly, we are all human and all of us make mistakes. Having an affair is usually something that should be resolved privately, in your personal life, not in public. The business context of this affair is clearly something he wasn’t aware of at the time and punishing him for being deceived seems extreme.

bix6 3 hours ago

Resign. Bro cheated on his wife. You trust him? I don’t.

Edit: lol people would down vote this. Cheating is cool if you’re a billionaire!

mixdup 2 hours ago

A lot of people cheat on their wives and husbands and are still trustworthy. Bill Clinton didn't auction off the nuclear launch codes to prevent the Lewinsky scandal from becoming public. A person being unfaithful to their partner is in and of itself not a deathknell, so it's less of a risk to other aspects of that person's professional life than it might have been in decades past

bix6 2 hours ago

Sorry do you make an oath to your partner or not? Cheating on someone after explicitly promising to be a faithful partner is as low as it gets and burns trust forever.

mixdup 2 hours ago

I have no idea what oath or commitments he made with his wife

dd8601fn 2 hours ago

And I don’t look to CEOs for moral guidance and leadership. Ever.

I might evaluate someone’s good sense before investing, and this was bad decision-making, but it’s hardly the whole of his career.

boringg 2 hours ago

Don't confuse your own religious views with those of everyone else. Probably your first mistake.

gjsman-1000 2 hours ago

Good point. Most people do make oaths to our partners. "Till death do we part."

But then we culturally decided divorce doesn't count. "Till death do we part" became "Till death or major or minor inconvenience or whim do we part." Then culturally we decided that marrying an oath-breaker is just Tuesday.

oenvoendoskfk an hour ago

Or we just culturally decided that a centuries-old tradition didn’t mean we had to forever put up with something we only later found out we’re unhappy with. Marriage should not be a life sentence nor an unbreakable commitment.

Funny things, the rules we make up to justify nonsensical behaviour.

betterunix2 a minute ago

Have you considered the possibility that sometimes people give their spouse permission to have an affair?

Have you also considered the fact that you can get married without taking such an oath? A wedding ceremony is not how you get married. You get married by signing a document that says you are marrying the other person who signs the document, and then filing the document with the government. Marriage is a legal arrangement that primarily covers property rights and certain legal decisions (e.g. the presumption that your spouse can make decisions on your behalf if you are incapacitated). Even in the few remaining places where cheating has any meaningful legal significance divorce lawyers often advise clients not to bother -- it is rarely worth pursuing and most people just want to finish the divorce as quickly as possible and all filing for fault will do is raise your legal fees (for little tangible benefit).

MisterMunchkin 2 hours ago

He cheated on his wife with a Chinese spy and sold her millions of chips which were routed directly to his Chinese competitors via her shell company.

mixdup 2 hours ago

The second part of that is a problem, for sure. The first part IMO is irrelevant

squidmaster 2 hours ago

He mixed his business and personal lives himself, not us.

ModernMech an hour ago

The first part explains why the second part happened, it's wholly relevent.

mixdup an hour ago

OP only mentioned him cheating on his wife, so my comment was related to that: his infidelity to his wife

The entire scandal is a scandal to be sure. That he cheated on his wife with an intelligence operative and whatever happened beyond that is a problem and needs to be investigated and dealt with

But this thread was about him cheating on his wife full stop. He could have cheated with anyone else and it would not have been a problem. The cheating wasn't the problem, it was who he cheated with and what happened downstream

SilasX 2 hours ago

Heh, good example, because that was the primary justification for trying to remove him from office over that, and turns out not to be such a good reason.

mixdup an hour ago

The argument around the Clinton impeachment was that he had lied under oath. Yes, the circumstances of his relationship with Lewinsky were shocking and got all the press but the charges brought against him in the House was that he had lied in previous sworn testimony in a deposition where he said he hadn't cheated on his wife by having sex with anyone else

ModernMech 2 hours ago

> Bill Clinton didn't auction off the nuclear launch codes to prevent the Lewinsky scandal from becoming public.

I mean... he did lie through his teeth to make it seem better, so not exactly trustworthy no. That he didn't sell the nuclear codes doesn't mean people trusted him after that.

mixdup an hour ago

The people who didn't trust him after that didn't trust him before and would never have trusted or liked him. On the whole people didn't care about what he did with his dick and he ended his presidency just fine

ModernMech an hour ago

Maybe that's many people, but I can think of at least myself who liked him before that and didn't trust him after, so I think there's more to it than you suggest. It also followed his wife around in her political life, and she was asked about it constantly, or is she in the category of "didn't trust him before and would never have trusted or liked him"? To this day his affair and the lies thereafter are the top of what's talked about for his whole 8 years in office.

g8oz 2 hours ago

Why not execute him while you're at it.

bix6 2 hours ago

No thanks I’ll just shame him and the people who excuse moral depravity.

boringg 2 hours ago

Man you've lost the plot. No one is condoning cheating but relationships are complicated things.

How is billionaire related? Its such an unoriginal complaint.

bix6 2 hours ago

Billionaires get a free pass for their bad behavior because they’re such great “business leaders” or whatever.

boringg 2 hours ago

That's lazy complaining - replace billionaire with person in power (cultural, religious, cult leader, political) its the same thing.

I would argue that he's not a hall pass given the coverage.

bix6 2 hours ago

I agree that those in power too often abuse it. If you can’t wield your power for good than society should strip it from you.

robotresearcher 20 minutes ago

Yes as you can see everyone is turning a blind eye to this.

And no one said a word about the affairs of Bill Gates, or Sergei Brin, or Donald Trump or Arnold Schwarzenegger, …

But when my neighbor Jim Regular cheated on his wife, it was on the front page of the New York Times.

Or was it perhaps not actually like that at all?

dijit 2 hours ago

Moral absolutism has shown itself to be largely incorrect.

I’m not religious at all, but one of our oldest texts in modern circulation says “let he without sin cast the first stone”- we’re all guilty of something after all, and while some poeple have no moral compass at all, some people rationalise ”a little” indecency or indiscretion.

I’m not defending him, but it doesn’t tell me he is not trustworthy in totality, its just distasteful and I don’t like it and I think this behaviour is worth some social punishment.

brookst 2 hours ago

Cheating is never cool. It’s awful.

But the knee jerk maximum-cancel for any offense is a problem. CEOs are not saints. Very few people are. If our standard for corporate leadership is not just to be good at business but also to be above reproach personally… who’s left?

It’s an unfortunate fact that humans are generally fallible and imperfect. Jack Welch cheated on his wife. Many other execs have. It sucks, but the world would not be better if there were a career death penalty for doing so.

bix6 2 hours ago

Yes it would. I follow the moral not the rich.

geertj an hour ago

Literally nobody would be left. This is big issue with our cultural moment right now. In the past, it was understood that all humans are fallible and worthy of forgiveness. The standards seem to be so unrealistic right now that it is making everyone miserable. This is not to say there should not be accountability. But there should also be proportionality and second chances.

nish__ an hour ago

The children would be left.

alistairSH an hour ago

Literally nobody would be left.

If every C-level in the world is morally suspect, we have a bigger problem. Seriously, is your claim that being a bit iffy is a pre-requisite for the job? That's a pretty damning statement about capitalism if that's the claim.

infamouscow 10 minutes ago

Who's morals exactly? There's a big difference between following the morals of a traditional religion and following the morals of some retards you happen to align with because of your pre-existing lived experiences. Organized religion solves the individual morality problem of having an over-arching unified set of principles everyone is aligned to by making morality something that humans can't change.

ModernMech 2 hours ago

> maximum-cancel for any offense

They aren't saying "maximum cancel", they're just saying maybe this guy shouldn't be running one of the most consequential companies in the world when he's more interested in dopamine farming.

At the end of the day, asking a billionaire to resign his role, so he can sail off into the sunset on his yacht and have all the affairs he wants for the rest of his days isn't really on any scale of punishment or cancelling I'm familiar with.

Somehow we live in a world where with great power comes no responsibility or accountability, and it's quickly becoming too big of a problem to handle.

chipotle_coyote an hour ago

I think I'm with ModernMech on this one. It's too easy, I think, to focus on the idea of CEOs being forced to resign as a "career death penalty" to the degree that we lose sight of how well-off the people we're talking about are. Jensen Huang's wealth is estimated at over $150 billion dollars. That's more than most corporations in America. If he never worked another day in his life, never earned another cent of interest on investments, lived to be 100, and spent $5M per day for the rest of his life, he would die being worth over $80B. I understand "death penalty" is metaphorical, that he probably wants to work, yadda yadda yadda, but goddamn, let's not pretend that is an actual penalty.

(For that matter, let's not pretend that if he resigned now he wouldn't be able to immediately pick up work again if he wanted to. Because, to reiterate, he is worth over $150 billion dollars. He could start a new company. He could start ten new companies. He could buy an island and build a secret underwater volcano lair to start a new career as a Bond villain. Assuming he doesn't have a secret underwater volcano lair already, of course.)

skinfaxi an hour ago

Moral degeneracy from the top down. At least in the past there was some appearance of statesmanship.

NetMageSCW an hour ago

Appearance is all it was, don’t be hypocritical.

alistairSH an hour ago

Career death penalty is a bit hyperbolic, no?

Nobody is saying he can't retain most/all of hi billions and do something else. But, leading a multi-billion dollar business should come with some minimum expectation of morality. If for nothing else because being an immoral turd opens you to extortion.

I really don't get the sentiment that flying around the world to cavort with a Chinese spy is ok-ish. That's insane.

moralestapia 22 minutes ago

>Career death penalty is a bit hyperbolic, no?

"He could just leave nVidia, the company he built btw., and build another 4 trillion company before he dies."

alexjplant an hour ago

> CEOs are not saints.

I concur, but...

> Jack Welch

You might have picked a better example than the guy who systematically hollowed out the American institution that was GE by evangelizing cartoonishly corporatist short-term MBA culture then leaving when the bill came due and washing his hands of that destructive movement that he propelled to the forefront of American business. There are tons of great leaders who did hurtful things in their private lives. I don't think that Jack Welch is exemplary of that first criterion (unless you count a legacy of financial engineering and grinding employees into pulp as leadership).

betterunix2 11 minutes ago

> Jack Welch cheated on his wife. Many other execs have

Along with a lot of people who are not executives, and people who were not executives at the time and went on to become executives. Like it or not cheating is relatively common, our species is not strictly monogamous and the evidence can be found in male anatomy (read about it if you are interested, particularly in comparison to Chimpanzee and Gorilla anatomy).

I am not saying this as a defense of cheating; it is just a fact that people cheat on their spouses, regardless of the moral implications or how "never cool" it is.

xivzgrev 2 hours ago

Why would a private, personal decision matter for his role as CEO?

If it does, where do you draw the line? What personal moral failing deserves to be fired for and which do not?

monkeywork 2 hours ago

Most people do not consider a persons marriage status when choosing if they do biz with them.

When did we fall back to religious level purity requirements in persons personal life in order to interact / do biz with them?

If your co-worker cheats on his/her partner should they be fired from their job?

infecto 2 hours ago

I suspect most folks like myself are simply not a fan of cancel culture. If he leaked secrets I would agree, he needs to leave. Cheating on his wife? It is not great at all. It is worthy of evaluating that person as a business partner but canceling them? No way. Humans have been cheating on each other since the beginning of recorded history.

I don’t know why so many people jump so easily to canceling someone.

nonethewiser 2 hours ago

Did you trust him before he cheated on his wife?

yibg an hour ago

So anyone that has an affair should be fired on the spot?

maerF0x0 an hour ago

I feel you. It is a sign of poor judgement and a lack of integrity.

I will credit him the consideration that she is a state actor probably extensively trained in how to leverage men's weaknesses and fool them.

jmull 36 minutes ago

Don't worry. The blanket downvoting of anything not pro-Huang/Nvidia sends its own kind of message.

betterunix2 20 minutes ago

Hate to break it to you but cheating is far more common than anyone wants to admit. You probably know many people who cheated, or perhaps are currently cheating, on their spouse, and there is no reason you would be aware of it (it is not exactly something people share with their friends or family). If you are going to take the position that someone who has an affair cannot be trusted in any other context you are going to live a very paranoid and unproductive life.

limagnolia 2 hours ago

I am pretty sure he was aware that she was an Nvidia costumer even if he was not aware of her alleged status as a Chineese spy.

etchalon 2 hours ago

He should resign. He's proven himself an unreliable leader.

nonethewiser 2 hours ago

Seems like NVIDIA is doing great to me.

34679 an hour ago

Yeah, but now all of those circular financing deals have even more "Why would I lie to you?" vibes. Incompetent?- no. Dishonest?- yes.

ulfw 37 minutes ago

Stock is down 12% over the year

robotresearcher 26 minutes ago

And up 580% over five years.

richwater an hour ago

Absurd, internet-only opinion. He's led Nvidia to a 4 trillion market cap and then cheated on his wife? Is it shitty, yea. Does it have literally anything to do with business? no

27183 an hour ago

> Does it have literally anything to do with business?

Yes. The cheating is only a small part of it, although it does confirm he's a piece of trash and thereby throws into question his capability as a leader. More seriously, he potentially colluded with this person, an agent of a foreign government, to bypass export restrictions. The investigation that will follow exposes Nvidia very badly.

rat9988 3 minutes ago

He is no leader of the free men. He is the CEO of a company that wants to make as much money as possible.

Honestly I don't even care about the restrictions, not my law.

27183 a minute ago

Yes, and as the CEO of the company he did something really stupid that exposed that company to massive regulatory risk. And in so doing showed his entire ass.

sheikhnbake an hour ago

It could still be an issue if his wife divorces him, takes a significant portion of his stock and decides to sell it off. The NVIDIA board would have to consider that possibility.

qlte 44 minutes ago

Are we talking about what is optimal for NVDA shareholders or what a genuine demonstration of "taking responsibility" might look like?

rowanG077 an hour ago

I'm all for having CEOs take responsibility. But unless it comes out that he actually leaked anything of substance than it really doesn't matter that he cheated on his wife from the business perspective.

sheikhnbake an hour ago

It could still be an issue if his wife divorces him, takes a significant portion of his stock and decides to sell it off. The NVIDIA board would have to consider that possibility.

dymk an hour ago

How would firing him make any difference. He’s already got the stock.

rowanG077 43 minutes ago

The worst she can do is sell them off. And at something like 1.75% she would own that is not likely to damage them seriously. Besides firing him or not, he already has the stock so it would accomplish nothing.

betterunix2 29 minutes ago

There was always that risk, whether or not he had an affair. People get divorced for all kinds of reasons and you have no idea how she felt about their marriage before she learned of the affair. You also do not know how she feels about the affair, she might have some kind of private (i.e. none of your business) arrangement with him because she sees enough value in keeping the marriage intact.

Also keep in mind that divorce is not some formulaic thing. Most divorces are settled out of court and a hypothetical settlement could have terms that allow him to keep those shares in exchange for something else (e.g. maybe he agrees to pay her the cash value or agrees to a large and permanent alimony structure). I doubt the Nvidia board is worried about this issue considering the other, more immediate problems here (like the fact that his mistress is a Chinese spy).

d4v3 23 minutes ago

One could certainly question his judgment. As CEO of Nvidia, he should have recognized that his position made him an exceptionally valuable target for foreign intelligence operations

Insanity 13 minutes ago

Usually when emotions are involved, people don’t think rationally. I don’t think he should go around his life 24/7 on alert that anyone showing sexual or romantic interest is out to get him.

Insanity 15 minutes ago

Unreliable by having an affair? How does that translate to not being a good CEO?

nonethewiser 2 hours ago

Nothing short of ritual seppuku will satisfy the righteous hackernews commenter.

mitchdoogle 4 minutes ago

It's not about being righteous. It's about whats good for the business. CEOs wrapped up in scandals of any kinds distract and cause stock prices to fall. Most CEOs in this situation are out quickly.

bix6 3 hours ago

Fool me once shame on you… fool me won’t get fooled again.

Balinares 2 hours ago

I struggle to understand how you can come to this conclusion from reading the same letter I did.

Huang doesn't even admit wrongdoing for the actual important part of the scandal, selling restricted hardware to an adversary!

Besides, taking responsibility is something you DO, not something you say. Stepping down would be taking responsibility, for instance.

Seriously. The letter reads like 100% insincere PR hot air. Don't fall for it.

dominotw an hour ago

how is it refreshing to see if he had no other option. Wasn't he denying it just last week?

I dont get all the Jensen glazing. "we are all human and all of us make mistakes. " . ok so what?

AtNightWeCode an hour ago

Good if he wrote this himself. But it sounds like the legal department been involved in writing this. If it is AI then it is really impressive.

nater5000 an hour ago

>the first time in a long time that I see an apology letter written from a business person in the name of the company that actually admits wrongdoing and has accountability

Yeah, but how often is a "business person" (a) clearly personally, entirely responsible for a mistake like this and (b) is a significant enough "business person" for such a public letter to even matter?

To put it another way, Huang's apologie is how someone in his position would address a situation like this. It's not very impressive to hear a CEO make a personable apology for making such a personal mistake. Like, how else would it read?

Like, it wasn't that long ago that Bill Gates' got called out for similar things and made a similar apology (https://www.wsj.com/articles/bill-gates-apologizes-to-founda...). Of course, Bill Gates isn't at the center of the world's entire economy while getting caught sleeping with a Chinese spy, so there wasn't as much scrutiny on him.

DarkNova6 an hour ago

Responsibility means taking consequences when you/your company failed or you took missteps. Too often I read of "taking full responsibility" as an empty phrase that invalidates said ownership of responsibility.

throwaway5752 36 minutes ago

It's the least important part of it. Huang's conduct, and even the romantic affar, are not important.

The corruption in terms of PRC GPU import policy and Huang's relationship with the US administration are important.

This is not a prurient sexual scandal, it's a major corruption and infiltration scandal in one of the most important companies in the world. Huang personal travelled with the US President and advised him on regional strategy, and gave him tens of millions of millions of dollars in gifts.

Huang can handle it correctly and be as contrite as he wants but it won't take away the geopolitical impact created by the operation.

jmspring 30 minutes ago

Usually someone in the executive staff making mistakes ends up being required company training.

kklisura 2 hours ago

A banger of a tweet: "A man who pioneered parallel processing cannot be expected to run a single thread" [1]

[1] https://x.com/FangYi11101/status/2119586357853204813

Roark66 8 hours ago

Personally I think if she's a spy he is a victim. Who knows what his relationship with his wife is. It's none of the public's business.

The only newsworthy part of this is possibility he could've been blackmailed in the past about it and I assume this is what the investigation will be about.

Traster 8 hours ago

There are just some things that as the head of one of the world's largest companies you can't do. If Jensen Huang doesn't realise the geo-political importance of his chips, then he shouldn't be in the job. But we know he does because he spends all his time hanging around the white house lobbying Trump to let him sell his chips to America's geopolitical rivals.

Marazan 4 hours ago

> If Jensen Huang doesn't realise the geo-political importance of his chips

The chips he wanted to sell direct to China?

Frieren 8 hours ago

Defending a man cheating his wife because you probably have shares on the company is a great example on how messed up the world is.

A world in which Kings rule, and peasants defend their depraved way of life.

I really hope that you are a bot from a PR firm, because it his hard to image people being so servile to power.

matwood 8 hours ago

> Defending a man cheating his wife because you probably have

...

> defend their depraved way of life.

How about it's none of our business what happens in other people's bedrooms. For all we know his wife was fine with it or maybe she wasn't. Either way, not my business.

qurren 8 hours ago

> For all we know his wife was fine with it

If she was, he wouldn't have apologized, he would have defended his open relationship.

HappMacDonald 7 hours ago

Because that worked so well for Charlie Sheen?

thaumasiotes 3 hours ago

It also worked well for Bill Gates.

Ylpertnodi 7 hours ago

He'll do exa tly what his pr company will tell him. 1. Admit guilt, 2. Apologise 3. Casually mention the thing most people are concerned about. 4. George Carlin script to follow...

bamboozled 8 hours ago

This is a great example of someone not reading the article but commenting. RTFA.

sheepdestroyer 8 hours ago

I don't see how or why whether someone "cheated" their spouse would be at all relevant for anything, or to anyone other than said spouses. Caring about this, like if that was somehow important to fixate upon, is disgustingly sick. Have some morals

alcomatt 7 hours ago

It does have shade a light on someone's moral compass and violates trust in the individual. If you break promises given to your partner of choice then you are going to break any promise period. Especially since you only apologise after you've been found out.

ctmlr 7 hours ago

How do you know what promises they gave to each other? Maybe they're freaky.

sib 5 hours ago

Because his own letter clearly admitted that his behavior toward his wife was wrong and not up to her / his expectations.

ctmlr an hour ago

It's a PR statement for a country that is generally conservative about these kinds of things. Could be true I suppose.

refurb 5 hours ago

Why would he apologize if they weee in an open relationship?

Come on, think before you comment

thaumasiotes 4 hours ago

You're not commenting on an apology from him to her. You're commenting on an apology from him to you.

It's a public document; the reasons he published it aren't even likely to include whatever relationship he has with his wife.

nacs 3 hours ago

It's relevant because he's the CEO of one of the largest US companies that makes export-restricted, highly-coveted tech with military applications.

Because it's a matter of national security.

And because he deals with foreign governmennts and should know better being of Chinese origin that the Chinese are known to use such honeypots?

Frieren 2 hours ago

> I don't see how or why whether someone "cheated" their spouse would be at all relevant for anything,

I am not talking about the news. But about the people defending the cheating.

The news are not that he cheated but he cheated "... with a Chinese spy". And the post is not even about the news but an official release from Nvidia!

I do not even know anymore what is your point? Are you just asking people to stop caring about what billionaires do? Are you trying to protect the image of a billionaire for some weird reason? I do not get how do you fail to just read the news or the actual press release from Nvidia.

trymas 7 hours ago

Exactly. Downvotes on your comment just proves your point.

OC says Huang is a victim. For real?

Owner and CEO of a TOP 3 company by market cap.

At that point he's not a private person, his actions have global consequences (his wife, kids most likely still are private persons, that's true, but I don't know about them).

He's in an incredible position of power against the majority of world leaders, but he's apparently "a victim" in an eyes of HN oligarch apologetic crowd?! Because he was allegedly seduced by Chinese spy? What in the sinophobia and oligarchophilia is this?

If Huang wouldn't be of ultra-billionaire class and the woman would truly is a spy - he would be in prison for treason in a heart beat. I can bet - nothing will happen and by next Monday this all will be forgotten, washed by best PR firms he can buy.

thih9 8 hours ago

He may be a victim, but note that he had to choose to participate.

Also note that his wife and children are victims of his unfaithful actions. He is the only one responsible for that - he just said so himself.

eecc 8 hours ago

Jensen's offspring are both adults, at some point the relationship changes from one of total responsibility and dependence to one among equals.

We should really stop with this "just think of the children" knee-jerk

overfeed 7 hours ago

> We should really stop with this "just think of the children" knee-jerk

From the horse's mouth:

>> My actions hurt her and our children.

Parents (or "equals") can hurt and and disappoint others at any age - including adults.

not-kinsale-joe 7 hours ago

I have friends who as an adult one of the parents had an affair and and it was pretty tough for them, and the parent child relationship has never been the same again.

I don't know why you seem to be so against considering Jensen's children. Some people really value the commitments of marriage and see adultery as something very serious and damaging.

origini 5 hours ago

And project their world views onto others.

solenoid0937 3 hours ago

I don't consider his children because they are nepo-babies that were hired into Nvidia, make tens of millions of $$$, and stand to inherit billions. They will be fine.

There are so many other children in the world that deserve consideration before his (grown adult, very rich) children.

Jensen should be apologizing to Americans for compromising NatSec.

tremon 2 hours ago

> Jensen should be apologizing to Americans for compromising NatSec

Why? National Security is not in his job description.

vikramkr 2 hours ago

He does advanced chip technology it's 100% in his job description and is why he spends a full paragraph talking about natsec in that apology letter

59percentmore 2 hours ago

There's a tacit expectation that you don't use the privilege of doing business with/within a country to put the people you're doing business with at risk.

joebe89 7 hours ago

I disagree. Even as an adult I would be distraught if one of my parents decided to cheat on the other. Your children being adults doesn't mean you no longer have a responsibility towards them.

mapcars 6 hours ago

Then its time to grow up, people change, interests change, lifelong love and happy life together is and always was a fairytale. Once you are 20 and somewhat independent its time to relax your responsibility claims on your parents. They already spent a great deal of their so very limited life time on you, at least be grateful for that.

joebe89 6 hours ago

Of course people change, but there's a way to go about it that doesn't involve going behind your partners back and making national news coverage in the process. The fact you don't see that difference is bizarre.

mapcars 5 hours ago

The national new part is only because he is a CEO of the gigantic and strategic company, I was addressing the idea that parents are responsible to adult children in general.

thadt 4 hours ago

Perhaps growing up is coming to the understanding that we have a responsibility to each other regardless of our ages.

nonethewiser an hour ago

>Then its time to grow up, people change, interests change, lifelong love and happy life together is and always was a fairytale.

If this is your attitude then you should just never get married in the first place. At the very least you owe it to a partner that expects a real commitment.

javier123454321 8 minutes ago

This is not people changing. This is discovering someone that you had an intimate connection with and who helped shape your worldview actually has some major flaws in character. Presumably and at some level, you probably followed their advice and made choices that lead you to where you are in connection with their wishes and it should be at the very least a great cause for self-reflection given they are not the person you thought they were.

Tade0 12 minutes ago

I can tell you from experience that it hits different when you're legally an adult.

For one, there's no custody case. There's often also no child support (some jurisdictions extend it to college students) to speak of.

There's really mostly the sorrow of the parent who was cheated on.

yabatopia 7 hours ago

Forget the children. Please think about the shareholders!

I notice quite a few people worry more about the financial implications (nVidia's stock price) than the ethical ones.

bigfishrunning 2 hours ago

I think many of his defenders are very worried about the financial implications and are defending him to try and steer the conversation in a way that will minimize those implications.

pixelstack 7 hours ago

> Jensen's offspring are both adults

So, they are not allowed to be upset if daddy decided to cheat on their mommy after long marriage with some chinese honeypot? I hope you are not planning on start your own family any time soon

ethbr1 5 hours ago

I believe parent post's point was that the children are allowed to be upset, but it's a bit rich for the internet to be clutching its pearls on behalf of them if they're adults.

"Think of the children" is a rhetorical appeal to pathos.

There's plenty to talk about here that doesn't require assuming how an adult is going to feel about another adult's behavior.

Keyframe 4 hours ago

He may be a victim, but note that he had to choose to participate.

To play devil's advocate here.. If she's a spy trained in psychological manipulation and seduction we'd be right to call him a victim instead of a participant since he'd be a target of those techniques applied to him. Maybe?

_heimdall 4 hours ago

That can help explain what led to him deciding to cheat, but no it doesn't make him a victim. People have to be responsible for their actions rather than being labeled a victim of their own choices.

hermitShell 3 hours ago

I would personally agree that it is possible he is a victim of advanced psy-op technology. I don't personally believe we have nearly as much 'choice' or 'free will' as NA culture of the past 40+ years has led most people to believe.

At a deeper level we do get to choose our overall environment and what kinds of things we are exposed to frequently, the recurring patterns of life can be consciously managed and shaped. But in the moment, we are more like an LLM doing a forward pass on next token. If a specific weight relating to refusal has been abliterated, it's not realistic to expect the next token to somehow still come out to refusal.

We can control our training better than we can control our inference. We have ego-ideals and specific mental makeup that can be exploited if identified.

MisterMunchkin 2 hours ago

And if he was a gambler and she offered him money to pay his debts, would you say he is a victim? Come on man.

catchnear4321 2 hours ago

There are other ways to compromise a target that do not involve infidelity. These “techniques” just facilitate the process for an at least somewhat willing and/or interested target.

So, no, he’s not a victim, his existing personal potential for infidelity was exploited. It worked because he would have done the same thing if the right non-spy were to arrive on the scene. The spy takes advantage of that.

noisy_boy an hour ago

What if she wasn't a trained spy but someone naturally gifted in psychological manipulation and seduction? No longer victim but participant? Even though the effect he faced was the same?

superxpro12 an hour ago

He's married... he made an oath, signed a social contract to another person, his wife, that he made the conscious choice to break.

Its clear his wealth generated a level of narcissism here that rose to a level that permitted him to invalidate the feelings of his wife, who, again, he made a vow to.

It does not matter if some hot chinese spy tried to get into his pants. He still let it happen. He his actions spoke for him: "I know i have a wife, but this chinese spy is so hot. I dont care about my wife anymore, but im going to keep this a secret from her because I know its wrong". For a loooooong time.

I'm personally so tired of excusing infidelity. He is a big boy. He can make big boy decisions.

Unless they're a poly couple, who knows.

montjoy 43 minutes ago

We just don’t know the story enough to judge. What if he was given benzos and was immediately blackmailed for example? This is a nation-state organized affair after all, not just a poorly judged night at the bar.

qs1ykyusPlate 8 hours ago

victim of cheating on his wife? hahhaha c'mon people is this place are hilarious.

1dom 8 hours ago

> Personally I think if she's a spy he is a victim. Who knows what his relationship with his wife is. It's none of the public's business.

This is an interesting take. I'm not sure I agree with it. I understand the principal: that she might have been being dishonest towards him, so he's a victim of lies.

Anyone who's worked in and around any high value, high risk or regulated areas has done the training courses on these sorts of risks though: specifically, people will lie to you to get information out of you.

Sure, on a personal level, consider him a victim if you want. On a professional level, this is him ignoring training, at great risk to the business.

weatherlite 8 hours ago

> The only newsworthy part of this is possibility he could've been blackmailed in the past about it and I assume this is what the investigation will be about.

What ? If she was in his house and was a real Chinese spy who knows what data she extracted. Sorry, that's news worthy.

vova_hn2 6 hours ago

> If she was in his house and was a real Chinese spy who knows what data she extracted.

Not sure, if I follow. Are you saying that he has confidential papers just lying around his house? Or a computer (or other device) with confidential data without a strong password and an encrypted drive?

If any of this is true, I would say that this is actually a bigger problem, than the whole affair thing.

I'm just a humble software engineer and wouldn't let myself to handle any work related data so carelessly. Not sure, why a CEO of a huge multinational corporation would be held to lower standards.

pjc50 6 hours ago

Advanced security technology does nothing against the old attacks of "look over the person's shoulder while working in bed" and "your work is really interesting and important, please tell me more".

vova_hn2 6 hours ago

> "look over the person's shoulder while working in bed"

I don't know, maybe you're right. I, personally, am very uncomfortable (almost physically) if I know that someone is seeing my screen and I wouldn't be able to get any work done in such state. Maybe I'm just weird.

> "your work is really interesting and important, please tell me more"

This one is unrelated to physically being inside someone's house.

varjag 5 hours ago

It requires intimacy, and Huang is not in the age/wealth bracket for long distance relationship.

Cthulhu_ 6 hours ago

Actually non-advanced security technology can prevent that by locking the system / user entirely if they're using their work laptop or accessing company data like... emails while not in a secure location, e.g. the office.

Corporate security is a strong reason for leaving your work at work.

swiftcoder 3 hours ago

> Corporate security is a strong reason for leaving your work at work

Never met a tech executive who left work at work. Also never met an IT security team who had the juice to tell the CEO what he could and couldn't do on his corporate phone...

rsanders 2 hours ago

I suspect this team will have a little bit of leverage now.

croon 6 hours ago

Hardware keyloggers, microphones, spycams, etc.

The precautions you describe does not shield against any of those, and I'm not even being creative.

vova_hn2 6 hours ago

> Hardware keyloggers, microphones, spycams

You're right, haven't thought about those.

infthi 4 hours ago

in that case the rootcause is letting other people into your house, not cheating

weatherlite 2 hours ago

All of it together. He compromised the company by having an affair with a Chinese spy. The cheating is relevant.

yibg an hour ago

If that’s all it takes then he should never have any friends either. They could be compromised too.

chvid 7 hours ago

It seems to have a political dimension: Jensen having a laissez-faire AI attitude and being a China dove.

Jensen also probably got too close to Trump and now the China hawks and maybe the dems are out to make an example.

Also Jensen does not have golden shares/full control unlike Musk, Zuckerberg etc. so he can be actually be unseated.

maxglute 7 hours ago

Or she's not a spy and both are victims of more yellow peril shenanigans. Like a Chinese national spins up SG proxy to legally buy Nvidia cards. Jenson wants to legally sell Nvidia cards to China within export control limits. He hardly needs pussy as incentive to sell more hardware. Business people running billion dollar companies (megaspeed is) talking to domestic politicians isn't a fucking espionage, just like Jensen phoning Trump isn't. Like is PRC going to lock up any western businesses men that's ever been to the white house? It's just business as usual except useful idiots will by the yellow peril narrative that a moderately attractive Chinese MILF is a spy and business friend with benefits being used undermine Jensen for following letter / not spirit of law, aka customary fiduciary duty stuff.

Ylpertnodi 7 hours ago

Is the "yellow peril", only Chinese or does it refer to all asians?

scns 5 hours ago

Thought it might be a quite fitting substitution for yellow press.

joey486DX4 5 hours ago

>Is the "yellow peril", only Chinese or does it refer to all asians?

I mean, Shou Zi Chew was grilled by Congress for his "links" to the Chinese Communist Party, and made to state that Tiananmen Square 1989 was a massacre despite being born, raised in Singapore, and served the Singapore military.

thaumasiotes 4 hours ago

A guy from a Chinese country with an obviously Chinese name isn't the greatest exemplar of the idea that "it's not just the Chinese".

The concept seems to have been mostly focused on the Chinese, but that in turn seems to have been largely because they outnumber everybody else.

You can read an essay criticizing the concept at Project Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/26350/pg26350-images.ht...

(It's in French, written by a Russian in 1897.)

victorhooi 9 minutes ago

I think many here are conflating quite a few different things here.

Firstly, ethnicity is not the same as nationality.

Secondly, the CCP and China are two separate things. And then there's your definition of China, but I'm not going there. RoC and all...

Thirdly, Singapore is actually a former British colony, the native people are Malays, and there's four official languages (English, Chinese/Mandarin, Tamil and Malay). Now yes, there's a large erhnic Chinese diaspora in Singapore, but arguing that being Singaporean makes you a CCP spy would be a bit of a reach.

And geopolitical naivety aside, I find it mildly perturbing that somebody might assume that I'm a red under the bed, just because I have black hair, an olive complexion and am lactose intolerant.

sysguest 4 hours ago

idk so Tiananmen Square 1989 isn't a massacre?

if I was given this much easy task on congress hearing, I'd just say it with megaphone and take the lead from there

why is it difficult to say some fact?

is it difficult for you to say so?

joey486DX4 an hour ago

Because he isn't from China. It's racial stereotyping that everyone that looks a certain way is a threat to America. It's dangerous especially when violent attacks on Asians in the United States have skyrocketed as a result of this kind of discourse.

Change the race and ethnicity and tell me that it's okay.

Why can't you admit that this is yellow peril?

uxp100 4 hours ago

Originally used with Japan and China. It would be odd to invoke the phrase in some situation involving like, Bangladesh I suppose.

sysguest 4 hours ago

yeah as an east-asian, I find it really hard to believe that THAT lady is attractive...

hell that's the typical "before" face of countless plastic surgery hospitals -- provides a great contrast to the "after"

philwelch 7 hours ago

He’s absolutely the victim in one sense. On the other hand, the honeypot is the oldest trick in the book and he really should have known better.

elp 7 hours ago

It's the oldest trick in the book for a reason.

Or to paraphrase a really old joke: Men have two heads but only enough blood to run one at a time.

mock-possum 2 hours ago

The real joke is the sexism that says this is somehow uniquely a problem with men. Women do plenty of stupid things because they’re horny and/or lonely. That whole ‘little head’ thing seems like a bit of harmless cheek until you start looking at it in the broader context of sexism and gender roles, then it gets a lot more tedious.

pixelstack 7 hours ago

how is he a victim for choosing to cheat on his wife? Leave alone a possibility of the honeypot. Like he willingly was engaging in the relationships with that chinese women behind the back of his wife. How is he a victim now?

philwelch 6 hours ago

I was agreeing that he was a victim of the foreign spy operation, if there was one.

I’m not commenting on the adultery because that’s a separate, private matter.

TedDoesntTalk 6 hours ago

Is the gambler the victim of the casino?

Is the alcoholic the victim of the liquor manufacturers?

philwelch 6 hours ago

As I said, I’m not commenting on personal vices. I’m commenting on foreign intelligence operations because that’s the only question of legitimate public interest here, as opposed to prurient gossip.

John23832 5 hours ago

Yes. They can prey upon the people who frequent them.

nonethewiser an hour ago

Your analogy would be good if Jensen was a sex addict who frequented brothels and China developed an asset at one of these brothels.

But these arent great analogies because you dont have to have sex with a spy to be a victim of a foreign intelligence operation.

The gambler goes to the casino to gamble. And Alice Huang was sent to meet Jensen Huang under normal business pretenses.

The analogy cant quite represent it but its more like the casino sent a dealer-in-disguise to the gambler on some plausible non-gambling pretenses to spy on him. So he's a victim of the casino's spy operation. Then he gambled. Except he's not a sex addict, as far as we know.

nonethewiser an hour ago

>how is he a victim for choosing to cheat on his wife?

He's not, you're adding details to his claim that he never said. He's the victim of a foreign intelligence operaiton.

InsideOutSanta 7 hours ago

> I think if she's a spy he is a victim

He's both a victim and a perpetrator.

And while I usually wouldn't care if he cheated on his wife, because that's between him and his family, in this case, he was also incredibly dumb. This guy could have cheated on his wife with any number of women, but he chose to do it with a Chinese spy. I think having somebody who makes incredibly dumb decisions be the CEO of the world's most important company is definitely newsworthy.

"You're not talking to someone who woke up a loser, but you are talking to someone who woke up next to a Chinese spy."

xienze 4 hours ago

> but he chose to do it with a Chinese spy

The implication here being that he _knew_ she was a Chinese spy.

InsideOutSanta 4 hours ago

No, the implication here being that he should have turned on his fucking brain and thought about it for one second before having sex with her.

toolslive 3 hours ago

"...he should have turned on his fucking brain...". That's exactly what he did.

xiphias2 7 hours ago

I think the cheating is newsworthy as well, but separate: Lori likes to donate money and she would be a great target for donations if she leaves Jensen.

There's $50B at stake, so there's a huge incentive for foundations to ruin what's left of the family.

shakow 5 hours ago

> if she's a spy he is a victim

I don't know; at some point “don't put your dick in people from the Other Side” should be a pretty well known rule if you're someone important. She didn't even hide her nationality.

watwut 4 hours ago

> Who knows what his relationship with his wife is.

Best bet: not too good right now.

_heimdall 4 hours ago

He may be a victim of espionage, but he isn't a victim of adultery. He knew what he was doing, a spy didn't make him take his pants off against his will.

DerDerDaIst 2 hours ago

"To my wife and family: I love you. I know an apology cannot undo what I have done. I hope our family will heal and that, over time, I can earn back your trust." I hope he told them in person. I don't understand why this is mentioned inside the NVIDIA press release.

His family is not of other peoples business....

everdrive 2 hours ago

On the other hand his family could have continued their private lives if not for an extremely public espionage-fueled affair.

11101010010001 an hour ago

Guess Jensen didn't read the terms and conditions...

shock-value 17 hours ago

Incredibly sad and demoralizing to see the rationalizations and excuses people are making for this behavior in the comments here (or for the likely lack of professional consequences). But I guess these are the times in which we live.

hackernud3s 14 hours ago

There was never a time when men didn't have affairs.

shock-value 13 hours ago

Nor did I imply there was. I was talking of consequences when they came to light (doubly so when they materially impact one’s company and national security).

nozzlegear 12 hours ago

There was never a time when it wasn't deeply frowned upon either, because having an affair is not the norm.

hackernud3s 11 hours ago

Do you really think it was never the norm for rich men to have affairs? That's a very optimistic view of history, I wish I shared it.

ethbr1 4 hours ago

I think it's more accurate to raise an eyebrow at the idea of powerful people not habitually having affairs (historically, most of which have been men in modern times).

Because power is an ability to do what one wants, and a lot of people want sex.

rmunn 10 hours ago

Read Anna Karenina sometime. Tolstoy shows both the aspect of a society in which rich men having affairs was considered the norm, and the destructive effect it has on people. (And also the double standard by which women were judged much more harshly than men for having affairs). And he also, by comparing the two main relationships in the book (Vronsky's affair with Anna, and Levin's marriage to Kitty), said "It doesn't have to be this way, you can have healthy relationships if you just reject society's advice to have affairs and instead stay faithful to your wife".

I didn't like the book when I first read it (mostly because I seriously dislike Anna, and the book naturally spends a lot of time being told from her POV), but in retrospect, it's brilliant. Tolstoy has, without a single bit of moralizing, presented one of the best arguments I've seen in literature for being faithful to one's spouse and not engaging in affairs.

P.S. I should add that I don't think Tolstoy was inventing the "rich men having affairs was considered normal" aspect for the purpose of the book. I think that was what Russian society was really like at the time, and he took that aspect of society and wrote a book criticizing it, highlighting the negative effects that that attitude would have on people.

gramie 2 hours ago

I think that "rich men having affairs" has been considered normal for most of human history. Of course, in China there were official (and unofficial) concubines, and many cultures have accepted and endorsed polygamy.

In South Africa, men marrying multiple wives is still accepted as long as they are "traditional". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_South_Africa.

Most Muslim-majority countries currently allow polygamy. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries...

marliechiller 7 hours ago

It takes two to tango!

acoustics 11 hours ago

No excuses or rationalizations here, but: Do we fire people for cheating on their spouse? Seems like a private, family matter.

Of course, the spy aspect could be relevant from a professional perspective (depending on what actions he took or what he knew), but I'm guessing you're talking about him having an affair.

specked-citrus 9 hours ago

Espionage aside, let's not forget that he was having an affair with a customer company's executive. If that's not a massive professional fuckup I don't know what is.

zurfer 8 hours ago

To be fair he probably spends all of his "free" time working. As the founder and CEO of it there is no personal or professional life. It's all one life.

Arn_Thor 8 hours ago

It's not personal when you're in a certain role. You are not just representing your company, as a CEO you are practically embodying the company. It is the ultimate position, and it's compensated accordingly. If you want a personal life, resign from the job of CEO of the world's biggest and most strategically important company.

kaon_2 7 hours ago

That is a very American take. I think there are other countries (e.g. Germany, the Netherlands) where there is a much stricter separation between the professional and private persona. Nvidia is american, and so is Jensen, so i guess it is OK to judge him by this standard. Just saying that different cultures judge this behavior differently.

shakow 5 hours ago

Yeah you say that then your country elects a serial-cheater pedophile as president; I'm not sure you are so representative of your country customs as you think.

nicce 6 hours ago

> No excuses or rationalizations here, but: Do we fire people for cheating on their spouse? Seems like a private, family matter.

It is not so clear, if this is about his character and can he be trusted. This is evidence that someone is capable for lying and doing something that might not be in line with company ethics either. I don't think we can assume from humans that "he lies only in his private life, but can be totally trusted on business side".

sire-vc 5 hours ago

> Do we fire people for cheating on their spouse?

Yes, in many places, absolutely. Bad decisions in your personal live suggest bad decisions in your professional life.

Aerroon 4 hours ago

People who speed take reckless actions endangering others, therefore we should fire anybody who gets a speeding ticket. Thoughts?

Now take the same point and apply it to every other crime, misdemeanor, and breaking of rules. Should companies really operate based on that? Or should we maybe draw a boundary around professional life and only consider the professional life?

martin- 3 hours ago

What absolutely ridiculous places are these? Do you also get fired for lying to a friend, or wasting your personal money?

Does it work the other way as well, so you're forced to divorce your spouse if you make a bad business decision?

lithos 3 hours ago

Irresponsible enough with that money, and you lose govt. clearance and can't pass background checks (even civilian ones).

victorhooi 3 minutes ago

I think the issue is normally more that these might expose you to blackmail or extortion.

But that's ironically a non issue now that's it's front page press...lol.

It's a bit like celebrities who release embarassing photos themselves, to bypass hackers leaking them. (To be clear, I don't think the photos should be out either way, your private matters should stay private, celebrity or not, and it's horrid to have it dragged out in public. But I do admire the ballsiness in just releasing it themselves. And in this post-modern era, perversely some people seem to benefit from the exposure)

solenoid0937 3 hours ago

He did sell billions of dollars of chips to the shell company his spy girlfriend worked for, violating export controls. So there is that.

tremon 2 hours ago

> Do we fire people for cheating on their spouse?

Nowadays, we make them president.

throwaway5752 43 minutes ago

When they are the CEO of multi-trillion dollar, geopolitically important companies, and when we are talking about spies of geopolitical adversaries? Yes, absolutely.

In fact, the affair was less important. Even if they were just a very close but unromantic professional relationship it would be a serious scandal.

Most posters in HN don't think "poor corporations are the victims when they are hacked". They think "the corporations should be liable because they did not invest enough in security". This is morally the same.

Synaesthesia 31 minutes ago

We don't know that she was a spy.

_doctor_love 2 minutes ago

Hm sure but politicians and world leaders cheat serially on their spouses and we don’t seem to think that’s something they should be held accountable for.

yoyohello13 10 hours ago

I’ve seen some wild opinions on HN. One that particularly lingers in my mind was a suggestion that we use immigrant women as incubators to solve the population crisis. Shockingly not downvoted into oblivion.

HN cares about money and tech. Don’t take morality or life advice from here.

antonvs 7 hours ago

That was probably just Musk’s alt account.

olelele 5 hours ago

I mean there has been extensive reporting on the eugenicist sides of Silicon Valley.

IAmGraydon 5 minutes ago

Link to that comment?

sho 9 hours ago

Well, I'm also disappointed to see the holier-than-thou bias in such full display here too. If you're unfamiliar:

> It’s the well-documented bias in which people systematically overestimate how morally they would behave compared with others—especially in high-pressure or ambiguous situations—while underestimating the situational forces that actually shape behavior.

I'm sure we're all paragons of moral virtue here but the reality is that unless you've been personally targeted by a nation state and successfully resisted, then you're really just fantasizing. Yeah bro, I'm sure you would have effortlessly resisted the Chinese sex trap, right after you benched 1000, got that hole in one and beat Hamilton at qualifying. You're just that good.

GlacierFox 4 hours ago

Why do people virtuously out their own personal weaknesses on here with such glee? Then again, this is Hacker News, wouldn't expect many men on here to get much attention from the opposite sex. You're probably right.

fzeroracer 4 hours ago

For reference, one of the first things I was taught as a software engineer working in a highly secure industry long ago was that we should take psychological manipulation/seduction very seriously to avoid damaging the company and leaking national secrets. If I did something like this I would've lost my job at minimum and likely faced severe legal action.

Regardless of how much you think we can or cannot resist actions from a foreign nation state, the ultimate fact of the matter is that he failed and thus is no longer suited for his position. If I would face worse consequences for such an action, then I damn well expect someone who's paid far above my pay grade to represent a company to face some consequences as well.

NetMageSCW 29 minutes ago

Perhaps you face worse consequences for your hypothetical actions because you are less valuable to your company.

latentsea 8 hours ago

A non-trivial % of people engage in this behavior themselves. Gotta remember that.

charles_f 2 hours ago

You don't applaud people for doing something easy. A non trivial % of people are in prison as well.

Lerc an hour ago

I don't think anyone was applauding.

There's somewhat of a difference between 1:4 and 1:200 (US) or 1:300-500(most countries)

jlarocco an hour ago

The "big deal" here isn't the affair - that happens all the time and if he were dating an employ or something boring like that we'd probably never even hear about it.

The problem is the spying and Chinese influence - which doesn't happen all the time and is a big deal because he runs the biggest chip company in the world at a time we're trying to keep that tech away from China.

Security clearance applications have a whole section asking about extra-marital affairs, money problems, and whatnot precisely because spys use those types of things to bribe, blackmail, and pressure people. It sounds like a cheesy Cold War spy movie - but it happens in real life, as we're seeing.

Gareth321 8 hours ago

Agreed, and I'm not even that moralistic about the affair. It happens. This guy is in charge one of the most influential and important companies in the world. He owes the entire world a higher standard of conduct. Not for moral reasons, but for security, integrity, and consistency. If he's allowing himself to be influenced by China, the ramifications for Nvidia are staggering. If he wants some sex, use a hooker, or at least have an affair with NOT A SPY. Having an affair with a spy is unbelievable levels of incompetence, and calls into question his competence as a leader.

beng-nl 6 hours ago

We're not going to do the complexity justice with our 2 comments, but..

My opinion is that - particularly with the wisdom of hindsight - it is right to say this is a serious lapse in judgement of Jensen. Especially given the potential security/strategic implications.

However to then make the jump to this saying something about his qualities of leadership is a big leap. His leadership record is exceptional: decades of foresight, strategic risk-taking, and execution. It seems wrong to allow one episode to outweigh three decades of evidence.

Gareth321 5 hours ago

That's fair too. Perhaps on balance a little Chinese influence isn't worse than what he has accomplished. It just feels like one of those red lines for me. If he's willing to canoodle with spies from adversarial nations, what else is he doing exactly? And is he doing it on purpose or by accident?

ethbr1 5 hours ago

I'd make the observation that she probably wasn't wearing her "I'm a Chinese spy" hat when they met.

And from the reporting I've read, it isn't actually clear if she was a spy (i.e. directly trained and employed by a PRC intelligence agency).

The details (businessperson working in a viable business) make it seem more like she was a willing asset, who likely had a PRC intelligence handler.

Gareth321 4 hours ago

I don't think that framing helps him. He's one of the most targeted people in the world for espionage. If the claim is he didn't know, to not check the background of a prominent Chinese national with which he was having an affair is gross incompetence.

CalRobert 6 hours ago

Not sure these times are at all unique. If anything I imagine equivalent billionaires from the past were even greater philanderers. Hell, I was recently reading about Benjamin Guggenheim, who died on the Titanic and is known for "I played the game straight to the end and that no woman was left on board this ship because Ben Guggenheim was a coward. Tell her that my last thoughts will be of her and our girls" - and he was travelling with his mistress while those final words were recorded.

danpalmer 17 hours ago

How integral is Huang to the success of Nvidia? As much as he seems to have done a good job, he appears less integral than with some companies like Bezos/Amazon or Zuckerberg/Meta (whether these are/were or not is besides the point, they are seen as such).

I'd expect a board to fire a CEO over this, so he will have to be critical to the business, more than a normal CEO is critical, to survive. The market reaction to him going would also be interesting. Seems like the markets are starting to figure out what the value is here.

dingaling911 17 hours ago

I think his fear of failing is the reason for their success.

teknologist 17 hours ago

How integral is Nvidia to the success of LLMs? Seems like a few companies could step in and put that TSMC capacity to good use...

Tadpole9181 17 hours ago

I'm sorry, who exactly? NVIDIA essentially has no real competition because of how wildly successful they are.

danpalmer 17 hours ago

Google, Microsoft, Amazon, AMD, Apple, Huawei...

These aren't all entirely drop-in replacements, there are some trade-offs involved, but there are many companies with alternatives that could take Nvidia's market if they stall.

andsoitis 16 hours ago

> Google, Microsoft, Amazon, AMD, Apple, Huawei...

Which of those sell chips at the Nvidia caliber sell to AI model builders in the US (not use internally)?

IncreasePosts 14 hours ago

Google

SJC_Hacker 8 hours ago

Not internally, which is what Googles TPUs are for

teknologist 8 hours ago

Apple just needs to bring back the Xserve :p

jsw97 17 hours ago

Navigating this political/diplomatic climate is key to Nvidia's success, and he appears to be driving that? In normal times maybe it would be different.

mjr00 17 hours ago

Not to sound too negative but IMO NVidia has largely been "right place, right time" and I don't think Huang has had much to do with it. NVidia made computer graphics cards and CUDA long ago; they just happened to be in the right place, twice, in quick succession: first crypto/blockchain, then AI, neither of which they really had any part in boosting. It's like they set up a general store that sells pickaxes and drills, then someone found gold in the mountain right next to them, and then the goldmine ran out but someone found oil right under them.

The one big thing I will given Huang credit for is not going all-in on blockchain and recognizing it as a bubble. NVidia never really pivoted from their core business/customers to support crypto miners, unlike what they're doing with AI.

javier2 17 hours ago

Yeah, they had been working on CUDA for a very long time before AI turned out to be interesting again.

est31 17 hours ago

> first crypto/blockchain, then AI, neither of which they really had any part in boosting.

Nvidia boosts AI a lot. They are the central bank of AI. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49673098

mjr00 17 hours ago

Maybe the verb tense was unclear. NVidia currently boosts AI, for obvious reasons. But OpenAI was the company who did all of the legwork to make AI into an industry, with some minor support from NVidia. NVidia wouldn't have 10x'd since 2022 without OpenAI.

est31 17 hours ago

AI has been a (minor but existing) industry before OpenAI. E.g. Deepmind exists since 2010, 6 years before OpenAIs founding. Sure, OpenAI has contributed to it, in great deals, but Nvidia has always been there during the growth of AI. In 2012, AlexNet has been trained on GTX 580 GPUs, in 2016 AlphaGo used Nvidia GPUs, etc.

altmanaltman 17 hours ago

Yeah, but in this case they also built the pickaxes and drills and did it better than any other pickaxe and drill builder. In your analogy, they are commodities and a shop like that can be set up by anyone. But in this case, that doesn't apply. And if you look at their sales composition, they never pivoted away from gaming, but data centers clearly became ludicrously more attractive in the AI era. But they were always very good at computing triangles, perhaps the best in the world. They were lucky that market forces made that computation very valuable but they were not lucky in their ability to build it.

mjr00 17 hours ago

I do agree! They execute extremely well and Huang deserves praise for that. I just don't see him as a visionary leader shaping the industry in the same way that e.g. Jobs was. In an alternate world where the NSA doesn't create bitcoin and OpenAI is never founded, NVidia would be a stable, reliable producer of consumer electronic parts.

altmanaltman 15 hours ago

how can you be sure though we wont find a good use of computing triangles in that alternative universe? that technology would always have abstract value, how it is impmemented will depend on market forces but you have to admit, they know how to go with the flow, maybe to an extent where it seems like they just keep getting lucky

SXX 17 hours ago

To be honest other hardware companies had years to catch up to Cuda and ML, but they invested shit into their software stacks.

Even when AI boom was imminient but 10 times smaller 2-3 years ago they did not invested heavily enough and Nvidia went all in.

I have no clue what percent of that decision making was Huang, but all the competition leadership was certainly incompetent.

So at least he did built company with a good leadership. Its a fact. Even if I personally dont like Nvidia or its products.

xiaoyu2006 17 hours ago

The had the insight to develop and promote CUDA long before DL was a thing. IIRC AlexNet was when CUDA really paid off.

hcta 17 hours ago

> they just happened to be in the right place, twice, in quick succession

that is generally what it looks like when someone is smarter than you

mjr00 17 hours ago

> that is generally what it looks like when someone is smarter than you

Maybe. This is also what everyone said about Elon for a long time, though.

CamperBob2 17 hours ago

It's not that Musk is not smart, he's just erratic, and growing increasingly so. He is the Howard Hughes of our day. They will find his body in an expensive hotel room at some point, surrounded by bottles of his own urine.

N_Lens 8 hours ago

Maybe that's the jetfuel we need to get to Mars.

khazhoux 7 hours ago

I challenge anyone who says “Elon not so smart” to name a topic in his wheelhouse that you think you can discuss in more detail than him. Because I’m certain he’d run circles around all but experts, in rocketry, auto tech, power cells, and more.

I mean: dude is smart. Everyone just wants to deny him that because he’s now an anti-immigrationist and they can’t stand the thought of him being both awful and smarter than them.

smrq 6 hours ago

He'd better. It would be a pretty severe embarrassment for a layman to know more than you about your own industry.

The trap he and many other smart idiots fall into is believing that having a high degree of expertise in one area qualifies you to speak authoritatively in unrelated areas. These days maybe you could call it Claude-smart: pairing situational brilliance with unwarranted confidence at other times. The really properly smart people I've met are good at tempering their statements with their degree of certainly based on their own qualifications.

khazhoux 6 hours ago

Sure, I agree. My beef here is with people who insist he’s a dummy when it comes even to rocketry, etc. That he only just hired people, but otherwise is not himself any sort of expert. Just lucky (over and over and over, apparently).

solyin 17 hours ago

There were a lot of computer graphics cards manufacturers back in the 90's. Nvidia survived amongst the whole pack of them. 3dfx, Matrox, S3, ATI, Cirrus. How much of that is soley due to Jenson vs outside factors outside of his control, only he really knows, but I think her deserves a bit more credit than right place right time. CUDA was a very expensive investment with zero guarantee of payoff. The market could have gone an entirely different way and Nvidia would have failed.

mjr00 17 hours ago

That's fair. NVidia's execution has been rock solid for as long as they've been around and Huang deserves credit for that. But I would say most of the reason they've 100x'd since 2017 has been external forces.

Jlagreen 8 hours ago

Yes the demand of comapnies for AI compute which Nvidia delivered. These are still the external forces which let it grow at 100% YoY despite >$200b in revenue.

Kudos 7 hours ago

Did you forget the crypto boom?

iambateman 17 hours ago

We’re going to find out tomorrow and I suspect in this case the answer starts with a B.

andsoitis 17 hours ago

> How integral is Huang to the success of Nvidia?

He's the visionary behind what they do and the person who influences industries around him to make it real.

IncreasePosts 16 hours ago

What percent of nvidias success was due to vision, vs luck?

I made a boat load of money off of the Tesla IPO(and then holding for 12 years) but I only invested because I thought they wouldn't be a successful car company but would produce a bunch of patents that would be valuable when licensed to the big auto makers.

Obviously I got that wrong, but my investment still worked out - and I still have friends and family coming to me for investing advice because I made the right move but for the wrong reasons

mrheosuper 13 hours ago

If it happens 1 time, you can call it luck.

But CUDA, Ray tracing acceleration, DLSS? It's not luck anymore.

musha68k 12 hours ago

Although I'm still more of a "Voodoo person" myself, the "Riva128 guy" has shown bold vision and relentlessly fierce execution on top of it - consistently - since the early 90s..

Frieren 8 hours ago

> what they do

So, he is responsible for the crypto and AI bubbles? If tomorrow AI crashes and Nvidia share value with it would that make Nvidia CEO an idiot?

CEO worshiping is going too far.

RussianBot9580 8 hours ago

Somehow Intel can't take advantage of the very same bubbles.

Jensen is extremely hands on. If he is replaced NVidia is cooked.

bigDinosaur 7 hours ago

The dude is 63, there has to be some kind of succession planning? Or is it just expected the company is one helicopter accident away from becoming completely doomed?

RussianBot9580 an hour ago

Holy change of topic Batman!

Intel is apparently fine (it's not fine) with a rotating cast of CEOs.

You are right though. At least whoever is trying to oust Jensen is nice enough not to bring out the usual tools.

plaidfuji 17 hours ago

My understanding is that he has something like 50 direct reports. Which would make him a pretty major single point of failure.

hoppp 17 hours ago

I'm skeptical that he gets fired for this. The "Spy I loved" James bond style twist combined with his iconic leather jacket might actually come off as badass.

bluegatty 17 hours ago

"I'd expect a board to fire a CEO over this, "

God god, no.

There's very little he could ever accidentally tell someone that would matter that much.

Other than handing over very detailed schemas etc, there's almost nothing important he could tell them.

Maybe some future ideas and plans, maybe some government things about the Administration, it's small peanuts.

Nvidia is an operational success, their IP is embedded within deep layers of know how and expertise.

He's the 'father' of that org, he set the tone, they like him there.

Nvidia would risk being an Intel without him.

danpalmer 17 hours ago

A spy like this isn't looking for chip schematics, they're looking for strategy. Strategy that comes from the CEO. Ultimately the main thing a CEO brings is judgement, and this was extremely poor judgement.

bluegatty 17 hours ago

Strategy changes all the time. It will change overnight with the election results. What matters most is the information underlying that strategy, like, if ASML was coming out with some very specific new thing that would tilt the industry - that would be key.

denkmoon 16 hours ago

Not knowing someone is a spy is extremely poor judgement? Telling his mistress all kinds of corporate secrets would be "extremely poor judgement" but at this point I see no evidence that this happened?

tyre 10 hours ago

I don't care that he had an affair (none of my business; who knows the terms of his relationship with his wife; Americans / humans are far too moralizing in controlling sex) and, even if it was wrong in the context of his marriage, I don't think someone should be fired for that.

If he knew / suspected she was a spy, yes, absolutely. If she was given access to confidential information, yes, absolutely.

If he thought it was a romantic relationship, fine, that doesn't affect me / NVDA / America.

Obviously he should stop now that he knows! But if he didn't at the time, you know, I think I can still trust him to make computer chips.

fauigerzigerk 8 hours ago

I agree. Judgement on love affairs and judgement on chip strategy are completely unrelated categories of judgement.

"Bad judgement" is a tool used in political rhetoric used to blame someone when there's nothing of any substance to blame them for.

However, all of this changes if it turns out that he gave his lover's company any kind of preferential treatment or that she was involved in China related lobbying.

This is what the investigation will focus on in my opinion. If they find anything at all then he will have to resign.

moregrist 16 hours ago

> God god, no.

> There's very little he could ever accidentally tell someone that would matter that much.

I think the practical implications matter a lot less than the PR and legal ones.

If the stock price plummets tomorrow and doesn’t recover, the board may have to act.

Similarly, if the right governments start asking hard questions, the board may have to act.

This is likely going to be a slow-rolling shit show for a while. At the very least, it’s legitimate grounds for one or more congressional investigations, which may start here but could go anywhere.

fuzzythinker 15 hours ago

If the stock price plummets tomorrow and doesn’t recover, it is likely ppl are afraid he'll be replaced. If the board "act" by replacing him, the price is likely to dive more, not recover

bluegatty 15 hours ago

Elon Musk makes nazi salutes and says radically unhinged things, and does many things which are arguably illegal.

Most investors don't care.

Unless there was some 'materially detrimental disclosure' this is just tabloid.

The fact that Elon has a literal harem, Tesla has $500M loan from Chinese banks with all sorts of conditions etc.

Elon literally does Zoom calls with Vladimir freaking Putin.

I think this is a nothing burger.

skippyboxedhero 16 hours ago

He denied, implausibly, all knowledge about Supermicro. I don't think that is going to work this time.

The crime here isn't giving secrets to the Chinese, it is helping them evade export controls. Again, this is something that Nvidia and Jensen has been investigated on repeatedly. If he knew that Megaspeed was a front for China, quite hard to deny given that Alice Huang seems to have brought Chinese execs to every meeting with Jensen then it is very bad. And yes, the stuff that Jensen would have said would have been very useful because, I assume, the inference is that he would have been helping them evade sanctions.

The very best case from here is that the board fires him.

bluegatty 15 hours ago

"The crime here isn't giving secrets to the Chinese, it is helping them evade export controls. "

If that were true, then it's fair game, but I don't think that's what is going on.

US gov has not stated they are targeting him.

Also, there is a gigantic difference between 'avoidance' and 'evasion', like with taxes.

We'll see.

mandeepj 15 hours ago

> "US gov has not stated they are targeting him."

Do we know that yet for sure? There's a closed-door US congressional hearing scheduled for nov/18

bluegatty 13 hours ago

We know what they have said, and they are not targeting him, they are targeting the spy.

I think it's very unfair to suggest they are targeting him, when there isn't even mention if it.

He's obviously entangled in this so he'll at least be the subject but beyond that it's not fair to say.

It would have to be 'very, very serious' for the US Gov under a super pro-AI/pro-business agenda to take down their #1 CEO over something indirect.

Musk has direct meetings with Putin for gosh sakes.

mandeepj 12 hours ago

> Musk has direct meetings with Putin for gosh sakes.

You mean over the phone?

bluegatty 11 hours ago

Direct interaction, not in-person. And many more interaction with high level Russian and Chinese state actors. Huge investment from Chinese state banks and critical contracts for data collection.

mandeepj 10 hours ago

> Huge investment from Chinese state banks and critical contracts for data collection.

He admitted having talks with Putin during 2023/2024.

His Tesla China can help him circumvent any investigation or questioning from US authorities

hnlmorg 7 hours ago

> The crime here isn't giving secrets to the Chinese, it is helping them evade export controls.

This would have generated extra profit for Nvidia. So I doubt they'd care unless the US government chose to take legal action against Nvidia. And that's unlikely to happen under the current US administration.

jwilcoxson 4 hours ago

If there isn’t anything important he could tell, then he isn’t very important and they don’t need him.

agnosticmantis 17 hours ago

I hope he at least gets a nice severance package in that scenario. Tough job market in tech right now.

Conscat 16 hours ago

As an Nvidian, I strongly disagree. I'm sure somehow the company would be fine in the long run without him, but until today I believed that his vastly superior judgement to his peers is to credit for Nvidia's success. Not to minca words, I think he is a far more qualified and intelligent CEO than pretty much anyone in big tech. There's a reason Nvidia doesn't have to lay people off ever.

InsidiousWombat 15 hours ago

I think that says more about other CEOs than of his brilliance.

N_Lens 8 hours ago

It is definitely the era of 'footgun leadership'

atq2119 10 hours ago

I don't think the second half what you're saying is true. He has had a good hand, yes, but I think what we're seeing is "simply" the effect of a successful company being run by one of its founders. There is always a kind of reversion to mean once a successful company moves away from founder control, and that hasn't happened for Nvidia.

ElProlactin 9 hours ago

> ...but until today I believed that his vastly superior judgement to his peers is to credit for Nvidia's success.

Have you considered how many billions of dollars of Nvidia sales were through entities diverting chips to China?

While there's no doubt that this is not the majority of the company's revenue, it's also not an insignificant amount.

If you had to pin Nvidia's success on one thing, the honest answer would be "right technology, right time." Without AI...And the questions about how sustainable that market is are now being asked by the market.

dchest 8 hours ago

They've been investing in CUDA and machine learning for a long time before the current wave of LLMs. It's absurd to say "right technology, right time" when they were the ones who helped develop it.

i-chuks 4 hours ago

Yes, but they placed a bet on the development of the tech and on the time it would be relevant which was a huge risk.

ElProlactin 3 hours ago

The technology was built for 3D graphics and video game processing. The company was very smart to recognize the opportunity that AI presented when AI researchers realized that gaming GPUs could vastly outperform CPUs for their workloads, but this was a "happy accident", not something Nvidia actually predicted, planned for or initially pushed.

swyx 7 hours ago

> Have you considered how many billions of dollars of Nvidia sales were through entities diverting chips to China?

its always been well known. its that line item of suspiciously high sales to singpapore. its never been a real concern.

ElProlactin 3 hours ago

> its never been a real concern

Except it has been. There are people in multiple countries, including the US, Singapore and Taiwan, facing lengthy prison sentences for this. In the US in particular, violating export controls is a game you only play if you're looking for years of free federal accommodation.

Examples:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-authorities-shut-down-majo...

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/chinese-national-and-tw...

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/california-man-arrested-smugg...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2d9y18g73o

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/aug/25/taiwan-ch...

https://asiatimes.com/2026/11/taiwan-to-criminalize-nvidia-a...

unsupp0rted 8 hours ago

> until today I believed that his vastly superior judgement

What changed today?

Every major leader and CEO has obvious blind spots. They're geniuses at X but idiots at Y.

Look at all the great CEOs with ridiculous political views. It's fine: they do have vastly superior judgement, just not in areas where it doesn't directly affect their business.

For the NVDA CEO, it happens to be a woman. That puts him in probably the 80-90% of great leaders on whom that works.

rsynnott 6 hours ago

Even ignoring the alleged spitting, shagging someone who works in a position of authority at a customer company if obviously a massive conflict of interest.

ksec 16 hours ago

I have seen and read this a lot over the years and I am starting to wonder may be it isn't Pat Gelsinger that called Nvidia lucky but people actually felt it that way naturally.

For over a decade CUDA was nothing but a money and silicon wasting function that brought in very little extra revenue for the amount of company resources it uses. And arguably it started even before CUDA with Cg. And I will say another unpopular thing, they are in hardware business, apart from the past 1 - 2 years which they are enjoying massive success, for most of the past 30 years hardware business are 10x tougher than Software side.

Most CEO would have given up. Paul Graham invented the term to describe it, Founder Mode.

And for another note about comments elsewhere in the thread that Open AI is what brought up the current AI craze. Nvidia was already selling to OpenAI via introduction of Elon Musk in 2016.

I seriously doubt Nvidia would have been anywhere close to what they are today without Jensen's Leadership.

ahartmetz 6 hours ago

That Nvidia exists, it is ATI / AMD GPUs. They are doing mostly OK, but nothing like Nvidia especially in the dollars department.

stickfigure 15 hours ago

What's this puritanical streak? Men in power have been having affairs from time immemorial. It's not great but it's also not original. The guy works for a corporation, not a church. Yawn.

musha68k 13 hours ago

He's a vulnerable founder just like Steve Jobs was and he's also the closest to Jobs in terms of brilliance and impact in the current playing field.

He's been consistently showing up and proving himself over decades to be core to Nvidia's success - core as in leadership. I would look to sell my Nvidia shares without knowing him being at the helm.

ergocoder 11 hours ago

At the current state, maybe not much. He was integral to the journey, of course.

The bigger threat is Jensen selling all his stocks at peak (if he was fired). Then, this dude with $100B in the bank could've easily started an NVIIA competitor. He has every component needed for a success. This is why NVIDIA's board would never let this guy go.

cowlevel 10 hours ago

We can look across the aisle to AMD to see how much difference the CEO makes.

mschuster91 8 hours ago

Not really. The key difference IMHO is not the CEO, it is that ATI/AMD always was the smaller underdog, while the established players Intel/NVIDIA get thrown money at them due to the "no one got fired for buying IBM" effect.

mschuetz 9 hours ago

I've interned at NVIDIA and my impression was, he is extremely vital to its past and ongoing success. I don't know about him personally and his character, but he knew how to foster a motivating work culture with a sense of excitement and purpose. Maybe Nvidia is now at a place where he could be replaced, but I don't think Nvidia would be where it is now without him.

2OEH8eoCRo0 13 minutes ago

My amateur opinion is not very? They made the best graphics cards had a share price of $10 and then graphics cards started selling extremely well because of the crypto currency craze and now AI.

I think these trends happened to them despite Huang.

ricksunny 6 hours ago

by the way - are we allowed to debate whether the alleged honeypot was in fact herself an intelligence agent of one sort or another, or was it just the (somewhat justified) background level of ‘she / her company is a Chinese national / has significant Chinese ownership whether private or public, and therefore subject to China’s version of our US national security letters.

I just was seeing very little advance-neutralizing of 1950s Red Scare talk in these comments.

gla67890543 10 hours ago

Spooks from CIA must be aware of this for a long time. The only question now is why this information is leaked now? What is the distraction they are trying to create by leaking this now?

datahack 10 hours ago

I would think it’s timed to the market correction. Less stock drop when all ai stocks already dropped.

nemonemo 10 hours ago

It could be just as simple as taking time to be confident. Or it could have been somebody wanted to use this as a bargaining chip and failed somehow... Who knows.

mi_lk 8 hours ago

Just days after midterms? Sure

ransom1538 9 hours ago

Spooks is a pretty knowing term to use. Not exactly a word the average person throws around. And yes, they likely knew long before now. Right after the midterms? Interesting timing. Seems the spooks are doing what spooks do.

rdidjdi3748 9 hours ago

There’s a British TV show with that title

newterminus 9 hours ago

hey been trying to meet you

antonvs 7 hours ago

They had to rename it to “MI-5” for the US market. The word doesn’t have the same connotations in the US as it does in the UK. One reason is that it was used as a racial slur in WWII and after the war.

kelnos 7 hours ago

I think that's just a result of the term falling out of common use in the US. I'd expect 30 years ago "Spooks" would be a perfectly fine name for a TV show in the US. (I remember watching spy shows/movies and reading spy novels as a kid in the 80s/90s and hearing/reading that term.)

nonethewiser an hour ago

It generally doesn't. People should stop reviving the negative connotation. Sure if someone is calling a black person a spook let's call them out but if that's not how it's being used let's not insist it's an inherently racist term. It's totally counter-productive.

Not what you are doing, and I understand that's why they renamed the show but they shouldn't have. While it can be used as a racial slur it doesn't generally have that connotation. I think if you directly asked most people they would either not know about the slur or say something like "I think its a racist term for some group or something." I had to look it up myself to be sure. We can choose to let that usage of the term die.

JohnMakin 9 hours ago

what? no it isn’t

latentsea 8 hours ago

You seem to know it.

nonethewiser an hour ago

What are you talking about?

specked-citrus 9 hours ago

The administration has known about it since at least May. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/08/us/politics/rubio-nvidia-...

This "what distraction are they trying to make" line is ridiculous conspiracism. It's completely obvious that someone leaked it to the NY Times because they are alarmed that the admin is doing nothing about what is obviously a huge national security problem.

sleight42 9 hours ago

Why assume it was a US leak?

hellgas00 9 hours ago

It just seems like a coordinated crack down on Nvidia's relationship China.

Consider that the leak destroys the legitimacy of Huang's lobbying efforts efforts against tighter chips controls to China. In parallel the NYT released yesterday their investigation into commerce dept approvals of h200 chips to Chinese entities that the NYT claims are ghost offices linked to Chinese military contractors [1]. Also consider that these events put Nvidia under long term congressional security oversight with an installed watch dog. Nvidia is losing it's autonomy to cut international deals. Seems like the CIA/permeant state is getting nervous about China again.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/07/business/economy/nvidia-c...

colechristensen 8 hours ago

Maybe whomever knew wasn't sure of the election outcome of the revelation so they held it until reasonably afterwards.

camgunz 8 hours ago

I would guess it's to avoid Congressional investigations.

sgt101 8 hours ago

He has a close relationship with Trump, so this could be an internal Whitehouse play to hurt Trump, or, he might have "disappointed" Trump, so this could be punishment.

Alternatively this could be a Chinese play designed to sow dissent and disruption in the USA post the mid-terms.

Or, it could just be a rather trivial story about an over confident and all to human titan of industry making the kind of mess in his personal life that a lot of people end up making - watch any TV mini series for example after example.

antonvs 7 hours ago

How would personal trouble in Huang’s life hurt Trump? Compared to all the other things that Trump has done to hurt himself, culminating in the midterm results?

And China, really? What dissent is this going to cause? As for disruption, Nvidia essentially has a monopoly on what they do. Who the person in charge is, or what he’s doing, barely matters at this point.

> watch any TV mini series for example after example.

You might have been watching too many of those.

Betelbuddy 8 hours ago

It has already leaked Trump and Rubio knew about this for 1 year.

CodeArtisan 8 hours ago

It was known for months already.

(May 2026) https://culperresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Culper...

4ggr0 5 hours ago

> Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang has not only vouched for Megaspeed, but seems to have quite literally walked alongside Megaspeed at every step, while maintaining an uncomfortably close relationship with Megaspeed’s Alice Huang, a Chinese national. He was first spotted partying with Alice Huang in June 2024 – the same month the Apex/Alibaba pledge was filed. He then dined with Alice Huang in Taiwan in May 2025 - just weeks after the news of U.S. trade restrictions.

ilaksh 17 hours ago

Take this with a grain of salt, but my guess is that the board on some level has to judge him as being so high performing that they would try to keep him as long as that doesn't cause too much PR damage to the company, or the deals get them in too much trouble with the government.

This is just a total guess, but I assume what a lot of the board want is for him to sell as much to China or indirect channels as he can get away with. So whatever these deals were that involved this woman, they probably want him to get those deals through it he can get away with it (although they wouldn't admit it).

I see this more or less as Huang doing his job. And relative to international expectations at that level of wealth, one public affair is probably not something most of the board (presumably largely male) is going to (privately) judge him for.

So if the board is investigating, I assume what they are trying to figure out is if the US government is going to do anything (probably not) or waiting to see if there is going to be some kind of public demand for him to be removed. Or it there is something likely to come out that will cause either of those things.

avazhi 17 hours ago

The board is investigating because the woman he had the affair with is a Chinese spy.

Neither the board nor the US government nor investors nor the average person gives a shit about a CEO having an affair as long it doesn't compromise his ability to do his job well.

seanmcdirmid 17 hours ago

Alleged Chinese spy unless I’m reading the article wrong? A Chinese intelligence asset could mean someone who just had CPC membership in college. Not that I’m saying Alice Huang isn’t a spy, I just would want more information before deciding.

skippyboxedhero 16 hours ago

She was being monitored by the CIA, who believed she was a spy.

Also, just to be clear here: the story is that Jensen was also going to Taiwan to meet with this person who was helping Alibaba evade sanctions, when Jensen met with this person Alibaba reps were always there, and in the US Jensen was making media appearances saying that sanctions on China had to be lifted.

Bear in mind that multiple people at Supermicro were charged for allegedly smuggling servers to China, and that the reason Megaspeed is being investigated is for effectively the same thing. Jensen denied he had anything to do with Supermicro, it is going to be much harder to say the same thing here.

I don't think the affair itself is necessarily related to the direction this will shortly take.

anonymous908213 16 hours ago

> She was being monitored by the CIA, who believed she was a spy.

MLK Jr. was being monitored by the FBI and CIA, who believed he was a Communist.

TychoCelchuuu 15 hours ago

But... he was a socialist.

UberFly 10 hours ago

That has nothing to do with the fact that she was being monitored by the CIA, who believed she was a spy. Stop it with the red herring bit.

seanmcdirmid 15 hours ago

There is a huge difference between smugglers and spies though. Profit motive is all you need to be a smuggler, you don’t need espionage or anything else, you definitely don’t need a handler in zhongnanhai.

m10i 14 hours ago

> Profit motive is all you need to be a smuggler, you don’t need espionage or anything else

What you need to be a smuggler is to avoid prison.

When one side is fully aware that you are a smuggler that they can rat on to the other side whenever they want, even a child could blackmail you.

So that's one (fairly realistic imo) pathway from smuggler -> to espionage.

This is a hypothetical anyways.

newsclues 14 hours ago

The core competency of smugglers is getting the goods delivered. Some smugglers are motivated beyond profit or avoiding jail.

paimapi 13 hours ago

Certainly no government would ever encourage its own agents to engage in things like smuggling especially the smuggling of drugs to certain Global South nation states where the capital acquired from those operations end up funding pro-American paramilitaries who topple their local government. That would be totally bananas for any kind of republic.

Contra-ry to common conspiracy theories, I'm certain any government-led self-investigation into culpability in this vein was all very aboveboard and well-substantiated, and such incidents never ever happened.

mlmonkey 11 hours ago

> Certainly no government would ever encourage its own agents to engage in things like smuggling

North Korea has entered the chat ...

mejutoco 9 hours ago

They are talking about the USA

adrian_b 6 hours ago

USA, which is famous for engaging in several smuggling operations, like the Iran-Contra affair or the many cases when CIA was allegedly involved in drug trafficking.

paimapi 28 minutes ago

I thought including 'bananas [...] republic' and 'Contra-ry' would be obvious enough of hints that I was being deeply sarcastic but alas

chmod775 12 hours ago

The Chinese government definitely has better sticks to threaten Chinese nationals with than ratting them out to the US.

seanmcdirmid 10 hours ago

She is a CEO in Singapore, she avoids going to jail by obeying Singaporean law. I don’t know how American law would even apply to her, they definitely apply to Jensen though.

jon128 3 hours ago

American law, procedures and formalities or not, can potentially apply to anyone.

Nothing is beyond our reach.

crossroadsguy 10 hours ago

And by dictionary definition once someone has been established as a smuggler, there’s technically no way they can also be labelled as spies, or engaging in espionage. Also, spies never smuggle, never. Spy’s honour! Yeah, that makes total sense.

seanmcdirmid 10 hours ago

Smugglers can be spies actually, it’s not an uncommon trope. Just not all smugglers are spies. Or were you just trying to setup some sort of straw man to knock down?

jmtulloss 12 hours ago

Doesn’t sound like the Alibaba reps were at _every_ meeting

purpleidea 11 hours ago

They were watching through very secret hotel cameras ;)

UberFly 10 hours ago

That's the risk - blackmail. It may very well be the reason Jensen is being so out in the open about this.

dannyw 17 hours ago

Chinese spy can mean everything from “sell us more GPUs to China or I leak our affair” (which I think NVDA would be very happy with - they’ve already admitted to chip diversion, and their senior execs have been arrested for the same) to trade secrets being given to Huawei.

IMHO, I’m speculating, but I think the affair could’ve happened first, and then the MSS got involved for access and blackmail.

There is, after all, statistically a high correlation with rich billionaires and infidelity…

ElProlactin 9 hours ago

> ...and then the MSS got involved for access and blackmail.

If you look at Megaspeed, it has Chinese state asset written all over it.

thenthenthen 3 hours ago

How

ElProlactin 2 hours ago

1. Singapore is a well-known hub for the smuggling of Nvidia chips to China.

2. The company was originally set up as the subsidiary of a Chinese gaming company.

3. When the US added stricter export controls for Nvidia chips in 2023, it was spun off and ownership reportedly moved to a BVI shell company.

4. Later it was sold to a company that is apparently owned by one person who is believed to live in China.

5. The Singapore offices of the company and others he is an owner or director of show little activity and according to one report, the co-working space at the address listed for one didn't even have a record of the company.

6. Despite the fact that Megaspeed showed less than $6 million in cash at the end of 2023, it somehow became an Nvidia Cloud Partner and between 2024 and 2026 purchased $4.8 billion worth of advanced Nvidia chips, making it the top Nvidia chip buyer in ASEAN.

This company was on the radar of people in the industry well before this scandal because basically nobody had any idea who it was and where the money was coming from.

https://en.thairath.co.th/money/tech_innovation/tech_compani...

thenthenthen an hour ago

Thanks for the extensive write up! Every point except 6 (the acquisition) sounds very normal for Chinese companies. 6 million is worth a lot more in the Mainland, not many AI chips tho… mmmm

dcrazy 14 hours ago

She was also the CEO of a large customer. That sounds like it could impact his job performance.

bzax 12 hours ago

Just to be clear, alleged spy, and working for a foreign government which wants to do a tremendous amount of incredibly profitable business with the company. Which he should be carefully weighing against the very real legal risks when the US government doesn't want that business to happen. And if he can't remain impartial, the board should be concerned about whether he can make the right decision for shareholders about that risk/profit.

ramraj07 12 hours ago

What OP is implying is that the Board likely implicitly condoned any effort Jensen would take to make sales to China including making underhanded deals that look like honeypot operations but may as well have been a double honeypot operation. The implication is that the outcome of said affair was actually good for Nvidia. You imply that the interests of Nvidia and the US government and by extension the US public are aligned. That’s a citation-needed level assumption. Nvidia just wants to make money. The government hopefully has different interests.

lakeviewterrace 11 hours ago

The penalties for ITAR/EAR violations are severe so I suspect it's as ludicrous and incorrect a theory as one might suspect.

What is interesting is the woman appears to be extremely mid-looking.

If there is a lesson to be learned from all these extremely powerful men cheating on their wives with objectively ordinary women (e.g. Gates, Bezos, Tiger Woods) it's that the most beautiful woman in the world is worth about the same as the woman that works at McDonald's.

cowlevel 11 hours ago

Implying that beautiful people can't work at McDonald's?

lakeviewterrace 11 hours ago

Not at all.

There is a more crude corollary to the theory that I chose to omit for decorum's sake:

P = P

ranger_danger 11 hours ago

More like beautiful people are less likely to be into weird stuff probably.

andoando 2 hours ago

Thats also wildly untrue

csomar 10 hours ago

From observation, it seems Starbucks/High-end coffee chains attract easier looking staff. At the end of the day, you are going to get the higher paying job, and the higher paying job can afford to select the easier looking ones.

bushwart 11 hours ago

These guys are so rich they can hire beautiful prostitutes whenever they want. Looks alone are dime-a-dozen, in the end it's personality that counts (the latter notably also holds true for non-gazillionaires).

lakeviewterrace 10 hours ago

I like to believe Bezos was still being yelled at to take out the trash and for leaving dirty pancake batter bowls in the kitchen sink.

hax0ron3 9 hours ago

Yeah, someone like Huang probably has beautiful women throwing themselves at him all the time and it's quite possible that he's taken many of them up on the offer already, it's just never come out before. A man who has access to such abundance of beautiful women may over time become more interested in things like personality, if he wasn't already more interested in personality before -- there are some men who care more about personality from the start.

tudelo 10 hours ago

I'm sorry but what is this vapid take on personal relationships and attraction? I don't get the point of anything beyond your first sentence. Can you explain?

p1anecrazy 10 hours ago

Incel views

paganel 10 hours ago

Not the OP, but I was also curious about how the woman looked, i.e. if she was physically attractive or not. That's interesting from a "history of honey-potting"-perspective, good for the Chinese that they knew what moved this horny CEO's gears and that they were able to match it. As far as I know it was the Russians/Soviets who were experts at honey-potting, this is the first time when I read from the Chinese doing the same at such a high level.

ThePinion 9 hours ago

There was also Fang Fang and Rep Swallwell

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/swalwell-and-fang-fan...

Diane Feinstein also had a Chinese spy for a driver for 20 years, though I'm going to assume for my own sanity that wasn't a sexual relationship.

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/details-chinese-sp...

I think this has been going on a very long time, it's just that these were politicians so I think everyone just brushed it off as "business as usual."

rapidaneurism 9 hours ago

Diogenes?

numpad0 8 hours ago

1. that is a bit inappropriate to just openly say "but that spy girl looks mid"

2. The goal of honey trapping is to gain trust from the target to do whatever you want to do, not to please them. They don't even have to have an actual physical contact. A "mid", unassuming, appearance is often appropriate for this purpose. This actually applies to actual assassins, 100x engineers, and millionaire landlords, too; they gain nothing from standing out, so they look mid. You may optionally look good, but your looks should not be the means by which you achieve your goals.

3. (Extension to 2.)A rich CEO having affairs with a "mid" woman for a true extramarital love is probably more damaging to their relationships than them just disappearing into a hotel room with a prostitute with a bottle in hand. The latter is probably more tolerable to those involved and to the public.

4. Forgot where I read this, some diplomat's essay or something, but allegedly, Russians will do what you want to be happening, starting with regular office staffs and moms, escalating to scantily dressed girls, to visibly gay dudes, at which point they accept that their operation had been too obvious and give up. So there is a chance, I guess, if you must have it???

matwood 8 hours ago

Outside of your odd take on attraction, which is way more than looks alone...

There are memes that super-model looking women dating nerds are almost always spies of some sort. For this spy to have any chance at gaining real information she needed to have an actual relationship with Huang - which, see above, is more than looks alone.

noitpmeder 16 hours ago

It's unfortunate how it's perfectly rational for a board to want their CEOs doing just enough fraud/backchanneling/cosying-up-to-suspect-world-leaders to maximize shareholder value, as long as they're not getting caught/... in ways that overall minimize shareholder value.

pjjpo 10 hours ago

I don't think it's rational for boards to encourage fraud, as it is illegal, nor does it happen much. The others sure.

unsupp0rted 9 hours ago

That's not unfortunate: that's the way the system is designed to work:

* Corps maximize shareholder value

* Govs make laws/penalties to avoid too much harm/risk by corps

* Press keeps everybody accountable

It's great when everybody's doing what they're supposed to do, which obviously isn't often enough.

Unfortunate is when corps are so in bed with gov that they don't bother innovating or growing, and when press is so in bed with gov that they might as well not exist at all.

novia 12 hours ago

> one public affair is probably not something most of the board (presumably largely male) is going to (privately) judge him for.

So male infidelity is not a big deal?

mlmonkey 11 hours ago

On Wall Street, no.

ctkhn 11 hours ago

I think it was Francois Hollande who was photographed while in office on his vespa leaving the presidential palace to see his mistress

GolfPopper 11 hours ago

Surely you weren't under the impression that the executive class is honest?

steele 10 hours ago

Sure, if by high performing you mean fully assuming the lions share of risk when establishing monopoly via personal enmeshment with a corrupt political administration on the verge of sunset. His job for this board could very well be gone-rogue fall-guy. Doubly so when the regulatory bodies will be eagerly looking for those among the "thought you were one of the good ones" cohort of power.

jfrbfbreudh 9 hours ago

I think he meant, look at the chart, and not whatever you just typed up.

steele 7 hours ago

Chart analysis of bigger-number-better is accelerating past 1 recession per decade.

w10-1 16 hours ago

I've never seen a more direct statement, with the right priorities, in such a case.

As always, recovery under stress is more telling than speed on the happy path.

The other name founders - Bezos, Zuckerberg, Jobs - fell into the guise of their own image propagating down their leadership chain; Huang seems to be actually leading, often by example. I'd expect his team to do ok without him, but believe only he could make some of the hard decisions, particularly now that their success is bounded by their customers'.

ihuk 6 hours ago

Unless they want to keep the focus on the affair on purpose. What if she just helped him circumvent the ban on selling Nvidia cards to China or, if you want to really push it, on selling Nvidia tech to China?

nonethewiser an hour ago

It boggles my mind that Singapore!=China in terms of export controls. They're the same thing.

yibg 44 minutes ago

It boggles my mind that you think Singapore and China are the same thing. Because why? Lots of ethnically Chinese people? Is Taiwan and China the same thing too then?

sspiff 20 minutes ago

While I understand what you're saying, it's pretty well known that Singapore is a major gateway for Chinese espionage and theft of intellectual property and company secrets.

janalsncm 18 hours ago

https://archive.is/Hxn5h

ionwake 17 hours ago

I feel uncomfortable asking in a thread like this but why would a CEO talk about his private life publically?

I know others have said this is a carefully written statement, but in my culture I would feel it would be rude not to keep it private? Sorry if this sounds autistic.

yeeetz 17 hours ago

it's a public company, he's ceo, large implications for stock movements, corporate strategy, volatility if it goes to us govt intervention, divorce court, etc

butternet 17 hours ago

In this instance the two have become linked due to his choices, hence the need to explain.

ethanj8011 17 hours ago

Mainly because the person he was having the affair with was a customer of the company and because they are reported to have possibly been a spy for the Chinese government. All of these things have a direct impact on the confidence of employees.

nonfamous 17 hours ago

I’d imagine as with most big companies having a relationship with a customer is a big HR violation. So at least that aspect would have to be addressed.

antonymoose 16 hours ago

I’ve seen founders fired and their equity forefeit for such conduct. This being a 20M / ARR firm.

Perhaps this is a too big to fail scenario?

ergocoder 12 hours ago

I don't think it's too big to fail. There are multiple factors:

1. Jensen is a billionaire who doesn't really need to work. This gives him a lot of leverage. He isn't desperate to make a living.

2. Imagine he is fired, unloads all stocks, and starts a new competing company. This would cause NVIDIA a much bigger issue, 10000x bigger.

3. Also, this means Jensen would get to unload the stock at the peak. Democrats won and is about to be way more responsible than Trump. Cue Luo Pai from Enron.

4. Dating a customer isn't really a big deal. Did her company get a preferential price? Treatment? I'd guess that her company doesn't make a dent in NVIDIA's revenue.

5. Her being a Chinese spy isn't Jensen's fault. If anything, he is a victim.

bmitc 12 hours ago

> This gives him a lot of leverage. He isn't desperate to make a living.

He cofounded the company over 30 years ago. He isn't just a rich person with a desk job he doesn't care about.

xhevahir 17 hours ago

Because there's a question whether this woman is working covertly for a country that's known to do a lot of industrial espionage.

urams 17 hours ago

Because he got honey potted by a CCP spy which specifically puts himself and Nvidia at risk.

barbacoa 17 hours ago

It's being reported that the girl he was involved with was spying for China and this was some kind of honey pot operation.

vigilantpuma 17 hours ago

*woman

Conscat 16 hours ago

To be clear, she is an adult woman.

m10i 14 hours ago

That should already be clear. Otherwise "was involved with" would not be an appropriate/applicable term.

jdiff 14 hours ago

It's not at all given that it would be appropriate.

m10i 13 hours ago

> given that it would be appropriate.

It would not be considered appropriate for Jensen to be having an affair with someone underaged. That is the current subtext.

jdiff 8 hours ago

Not exactly subtext but yes, it would be inappropriate. I'm noting that "inappropriate" != "impossible." Many of his peers have done exactly such a thing.

jacquesm 15 hours ago

Unlike some other Americans Huang seems to at least have a preference for people who are no longer minors, also, using 'girl' robs the woman of agency.

m10i 14 hours ago

> using 'girl' robs the woman of agency

... only if she hates the word 'girl', I guess. Which we don't know. Personally, I know many grown women (30's, 40's+) who are perfectly alright with the word "girl". It is contextual, and often times cultural (i.e. your background).

No offense, but this is why it can often be pernicious to do drive-by virtue-signaling online.

> Unlike some other Americans Huang seems to at least have a preference for people who are no longer minors

What does this even mean?... do you think what you're implying is exclusive to Americans? Honestly that's what it sounds like.

vigilantpuma 14 hours ago

Most women who are okay with being called a girl are okay with it only in certain contexts. For example I don’t know any woman who is in her 30s or 40s who would be okay with being referred to as a girl in a professional context.

m10i 13 hours ago

> professional context.

But this isn't the workplace slack. And again, correcting is one thing, but only if you're unequivocally correct, which the above poster is not.

To be honest, it seems what they've mainly accomplished is cause a distraction from the substance of what the person was trying to convey.

vigilantpuma 13 hours ago

Yeah, workplace slack isn’t what I am talking about.

You are also not “unequivocally correct” so perhaps you are applying a standard to others you can’t live up to yourself.

m10i 12 hours ago

I might be mistaken about this, but your point isn't clear.

And instead of a clarification, you replied with a straw-man:

> perhaps you are applying a standard to others you can’t live up to yourself.

I never claimed to be "unequivocally correct”.

umeshunni 17 hours ago

The person he has an affair with turned out to be a Chinese spy and he's being investigated by the government for this.

TheAlchemist 17 hours ago

Generally speaking, it's normal to keep it private.

Unless the CEO happens to be the CEO of what is considered one of the most important company for national security and future, and his private life involves somebody who appears to be a spy for the biggest competitor for world hegemony. Then it's kind of big deal for everybody.

ricksunny 6 hours ago

>for the biggest competitor for world hegemony.

thank you for maintining the WW1->Cold War era great-game / hegemonic frame. Nation-states love you for it.

glitchbot 17 hours ago

Because the purpose was to get leverage, and Intel. Once she couldn't gather passive Intel, they would use the affair as blackmail, ole school is the best school.

wrexx0r 17 hours ago

It seems to be a combination of things First off, hhe person he was having an affair with has ties to Chinese Spy agencies (not sure the ties, but either way, not a great look for someone trying to be deeply involved with America's government)

It also sounds like it was known something was going on with foreign agencies and Jensen, do this puts it out in the open and clears the air.

Lastly, if anyone was trying to use the affair as leverage over him, the best way to break the leverage is to just come out and spill the tea yourself (so to speak)

peeters 17 hours ago

There are some things shareholders have to legitimately reckon with, that warrant a statement:

- Is this person susceptible to blackmail from the secrets they're keeping?

- Has this person performed a notable breach of trust?

- Has this person displayed a notable lack of judgement?

Even when the alleged misconduct is private, #1 is of particular concern. Airing it out is an obvious way to lessen that specific concern. The allegations here raise the other concerns too, however.

Keyframe 17 hours ago

I wrote in another thread here, this is extremely serious:

Bedding an adversarial entity's agent in a regulated field is a serious matter (for the company) with potentially serious consequences. It can lead to executive decapitation, it can even lead to / criminal investigations if the operative bypassed export controls using executive proximity.. the fallout can be great and widespread.

It can also be a nothingburger and an amusing page six divorce story in the end where we all read how rich cry as well. Time will tell. What's telling of where this might lead and how serious it is, is that it was US federal government that warned about this.

vigilantpuma 17 hours ago

I could see how it’s rude for a CEO to be bringing up his affairs, but how is it rude to address public revelations?

hoppp 17 hours ago

I agree that cheating or not their private life is theirs, I'm not interested in their family drama.

However if he cheated with a chinese spy then he was targeted by China and that raises this to a national security risk.

bluegatty 17 hours ago

He's forced to - he would not make the statement unless he had to come clean with it.

Brybry 16 hours ago

Indeed, he lied and said he only had a normal business relationship until further media and government scrutiny forced him to admit it.

> “Our relationship, our interactions, have been related to Megaspeed, and it was all completely normal and not unusual,” [1]

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-10-29/nvidia-ce... => https://archive.li/ljGPF#selection-1731.0-1731.119

hackernud3s 17 hours ago

He's kicking off a redemption tour. The world will now decide if his tone is sincere enough, and how long it should take to forgive him.

Not long I suspect, we don't expect much from tech CEOs. Nobody even remembers when Bezos cheated on his wife.

ahartmetz 17 hours ago

I guess no one noticed because they all looked the same. I imagine Bezos in the wife store like "Oh yeah, I like exactly that look. Gimme another one of these!"

Everyone has some preferred types, but same body, different person is pretty creepy.

RussianBot9580 8 hours ago

Umm, the particular android Bezos picked is quite unique. His ex-wife actually looked human.

pimeys 17 hours ago

We'll get a kind of a "Gone Girl" moment but with geopolitics.

elorant 17 hours ago

So that no one can extort him in private. Same happened with Bezos when his phone was hacked. He was the one who came forward to speak about what was shared by his phone.

ChrisMarshallNY 17 hours ago

If I remember, the perpetrators were determined to be the Saudis. I don't remember the reason, but they had an axe to grind.

I never got to (or wanted to) see the images, but, by all reports, he ... er ... had nothing to be ashamed of.

peri-cl 16 hours ago

> "I don't remember the reason, but they had an axe to grind."

Technically, it was a saw. The Saudi King was mad at Bezos because of a column in the Washington Post (which Bezos had purchased).

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jan/21/amazon-bo...

> "Saudi experts – dissidents and analysts – told the Guardian they believed Bezos was probably targeted because of his ownership of the Post and its coverage of Saudi Arabia. Khashoggi’s critical columns about Mohammed bin Salman and his campaign of repression against activists and intellectuals rankled the crown prince and his inner circle."

ChrisMarshallNY 16 hours ago

That's right. Khashoggi wrote for the WP.

bradlys 17 hours ago

When we give individuals the same power as people in highest legal positions of power - they deserve immense scrutiny.

Jensen is as powerful as any politician, if not more so. Same with Elon, etc.

If you don't want that then get rid of the ability for such individuals to amass so much power.

gfrttttttq 16 hours ago

I swear this is a bot. I refuse to believe it's not a bot. It has to be a bot.

ionwake 5 hours ago

lol

octoberfranklin 15 hours ago

To cut off the possibility of blackmail. At personal great cost, of course.

That's the real reason that this affair is a problem. It made him blackmailable.

golly_ned 15 hours ago

No one here is getting it right.

It's because the woman is a member of the PRC, and it's being made into a national security issue, regardless of whether he announces it or not.

The strategic thing is for him to come forward first.

m10i 14 hours ago

> why would a CEO talk about his private life publically?

Because it's already public. This is called "getting ahead of/seizing the narrative"

kwisatzh 13 hours ago

there are indications that he continued the affair even after being tipped off by the US intelligence agencies -- which would constitute treason. An apology would just be a first step to ward off serious charges, if there are serious charges levied. Not that anything would happen in the large scheme of things, given JH has bought off the orange turd.

not-kinsale-joe 7 hours ago

Because its already public information. In your culture would you pretend like it never happened even though everybody else knows about it and are making their own narratives.

alexandre_m 2 hours ago

I find the geopolitical aspects of this news far more interesting than the affair drama.

That is totally unprecedented.

net01 17 hours ago

are there trainings on honey traps, like waht can a company do to prevent this ?? i just feel bad for his wife and also him

zulux 17 hours ago

I came into some fair amount of power, and the CCP honey pot shenanigans got crazy. I didn't get in-person treatment, but the DMs were off the hook. A Cantonese businessman warned me, but I have to admit it could have worked if I had been in the wrong frame of mind.

They tried every persona: Sexy, shy, homely. Same sex. Confrontational. Open, but scared her overseers would punish her. Still get a ping now and then.

NullPrefix 11 hours ago

please do tell us more about these encounters

tgv 4 hours ago

My first (well, metaphorically speaking) thought after reading the news was: how many attempts did it take? How many seductors and seductresses are out there? I can only assume the other major powers are playing similar games, given the history.

nonethewiser an hour ago

>A Cantonese businessman warned me, but I have to admit it could have worked if I had been in the wrong frame of mind.

Im curious more about that. He was just some regular businessman acquaintance with no special knowledge? Was he fairly accurate and specific in his predictions?

listedb 8 hours ago

There is a company called DarkMind that is doing personality detection to filter people who are susceptible to manipulation

Detection and prevention is key

https://foxandlion.pub/analysis/traitors-among-us-who-is-vul...

theplumber 7 hours ago

I don’t really understand what’s the issue with “cheating” his wife.

That’s his personal life and I fail to see why are we supposed to behave like some kind of religious zealots on marriage.

The best way to handle this should probably be to be upfront about it so that he could not be blackmailed. His only mistake was that he didn’t disclose it earlier when rumours surfaced

catmanjan 7 hours ago

If your wife can't trust you, why should anyone else?

stratocumulus0 7 hours ago

It would not be unethical if he agreed with his wife to an open relationship, but this email is proof that he did not.

dymk 42 minutes ago

The email was written by a team of PR people to assuage the public as best possible. You nor I know what his relationship with his wife is.

boyka 7 hours ago

Why would a trustworthy individual cheat someone they love? Would they cheat their customers?

kelnos 7 hours ago

> religious zealots on marriage.

It's not about religion, it's about trust and keeping promises. Like it or not, the default understanding in a marital relationship in many places in the world is monogamy. Some people, of course, engage in other practices, after an explicit discussion, and agreement and understanding. But presumably Huang's wife believed she and her husband were in a monogamous relationship, and trusted Huang to keep it that way. That's the issue; religion is irrelevant. (And different religious practices have different things to say about monogamy vs. polyamory, and atheists decide for themselves if they want to be monogamists or polyamorists; religion need not be involved at all.)

But regardless, I think his infidelity is not his employees' business; IMO it's weird to bring it up in this way. The bit about his affair partner possibly(?) being a spy is the thing that actually matters to NVIDIA and NVIDIA employees, but he only dedicates a few sentences to it.

Klonoar 3 hours ago

> he only dedicates a few sentences to it

That may be by design: the spying issue might hurt the stock/situation/etc more than the affair.

dymk 43 minutes ago

You and I have no idea what their relationship is. Maybe they swing.

jonathanstrange 7 hours ago

It's mostly a US thing, I've seen a huge divide about marriage between old Europe and the US that's due to influence of puritanism. Only 20% of men in the US cheat, that's a relatively low figure.

The moralists also conveniently ignore that the vast majority of men is not very attractive. Cheating would take a lot of effort for them. In contrast, I knew some men who were attractive enough they had to fend off women almost daily. For them, not cheating takes a lot of effort. The bottomline is that most of the 5/10 guys who say "I would never cheat" would do so the very next day if a 9/10 woman suddenly got interested in them, which is exactly what happened in this case.

petterroea 10 hours ago

Not at all defending his actions, but I am reminded of someone in an earlier thread predicting that there may be some political reasons for this to come out, and that we may see NVIDIA do favors for the US government some time soon. That doesn't seem to be the case, but an observation:

"I love our country and our company. I am committed to protecting NVIDIA and supporting America’s national security. I am proud and grateful to be an American." sounds like the exact words one would say if one expects to be threatened of being un-patriotic and therefore cancelled in the right-wing sense. In fact it sounds like something you would hear on South Park, it's a bit ridiculous. As others have pointed out in here, affair or not, the spy label is very much up to US government opinion.

iambateman 17 hours ago

I heard a guy I respect say “there’s a short list of things people will ruin their lives for.”

I’m not sure if this will ruin Jensen’s life or not, but it’s a good opportunity for us all to remember that the short-term high is usually not worth it.

voidfunc 17 hours ago

There is zero percent chance the board does anything to Jensen.

His likely ex-wife is about to be very rich tho.

dannyw 17 hours ago

We don’t know the extent of what happened. My first thought, given MegaSpeed, is chip diversion.

How much of NVIDIA’s sales and revenues is actually to China? Would that be allowed to happen still?

caminante 17 hours ago

I'll take the other side of the wife -> ex-wife bet. He was photographed publicly with the "spy" and has been signing boobs.

If the camel had a back, then it was already broken, IMHO.

lotsofpulp 16 hours ago

He wasn’t photographed in a romantic context as far as I know, and he just signed the upper part of a woman’s chest with tons of cameras around, clearly a marketing ploy rather than him trying to enter into a relationship with her.

caminante 16 hours ago

>afaik

What? [0]

You just touch someone's lower back, throw an arm around their neck, and share seats for one at lounges with platonic friends?

[0] https://www.thetimes.com/world/asia/article/jensen-huang-rom...

mlmonkey 11 hours ago

Paywalled.

crossroadsguy 10 hours ago

It’s pretty much cruel to share a paywalled link after that description.

caminante 5 hours ago

Cruel? You have no idea what that word means.

Giving a source to someone who hasn't done any checking and asserts a falsehood is not inhumane.

lotsofpulp 3 hours ago

When did those pictures come out? Perhaps the ones you are describing have just been released.

caminante 2 hours ago

> When did those pictures come out?

"shallow dismissals" are against HN guidelines [0]. Worse, the article dates the paparazzi photos pre-2026.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

lotsofpulp 2 hours ago

I could not access the article (or I did not want to pay), hence the question.

Given the celebrity status of Jensen, it seemed unlikely that scandalous photos of him would be publicly distributed and it not already have been a huge story.

It is possible the scandalous pictures (not just him walking in front of her or sitting next to her) were already floating around, and I am not up-to-date on celebrity scandals, and the wife was already planning a divorce, as you claim.

But without those photos, it could be the wife is finding out about the affair just now.

I still have not seen the pictures you are referring to, but I’m not that interested to look for them either.

caminante 2 hours ago

> I could not access the article (or I did not want to pay), hence the question.

> I still have not seen the pictures you are referring to, but I’m not that interested to look for them either.

I figured you were acting in bad faith because the article addressed your question and you didn't mention you skipped the article.

Not mentioning is categorical bad faith-- another HN guidelines faux pas. Then, you double down with "not interested."

Please don't be toxic to others, too.

ungovernableCat 16 hours ago

There’s cheating on your wife.

And there’s cheating on your wife and having the feds write up intelligence reports about it, the Financial Times running an article about it and having to send a public admission to every single employee at your company including your two kids who you employ there.

caminante 14 hours ago

Did you ask yourself how his wife would not know this was happening? They were seen in public in intimate settings.

Don't kid yourself about the reason he wrote the letter. He's only writing this because of national security optics and buries it in a shit sandwich format.

gizajob 10 hours ago

https://youtu.be/FGCP2F_7rQk

This video of Lex Friedman and Jensen hanging out and drinking in Taiwan came out 3 weeks ago. Jensen and his wife seem pretty happy together in it. So today’s news is genuinely new news or they’d already gone over it and sorted it out. Jensen seems to do a lot of booze fuelled entertaining…

caminante 5 hours ago

>new news

Why?

They'd been photod publicly since 2024.

nozzlegear 12 hours ago

> His likely ex-wife is about to be very rich tho.

She was already rich

briansm 9 hours ago

It can be argued that the reason rich people are rich is they lack satiation, therefore they can never be rich-enough.

ergocoder 12 hours ago

They are both rich, lmao. The wealth is marital.

But I agree with you that both of them or one of them will be very rich because they will get to sell at the top without upsetting the market.

OH NO WE HAVE TO SELL BECAUSE OF THE DIVORCE NOW. BEFORE THE DEMOCRATS NUKE AI COMPANIES. OH NO. [insert croc tears here]

You can google Luo Pai (from Enron) to learn more.

mmmBacon 11 hours ago

I honestly feel truly sorry for her. No amount of wealth can replace what she’s lost.

crossroadsguy 10 hours ago

I received this authoritatively from a famous divorce lawyer of my city/country that “feeling” bad usually happens only when young children are involved — or marriage is young and love was involved in the marriage (this is an arranged marriage country, so that part is different from USA). Other than that if a huge parting sum of money is involved that sense of liberation outweighs everything else. In fact if anything else, it’s an overwhelming sense of relief.

itemize123 10 hours ago

rubbish.

Betelbuddy 17 hours ago

Betcha this is going to turn into: He was being blackmailed but decided to pull a David Letterman on it...

rustyhancock 17 hours ago

Jensen carries the responsibility here for sure.

But I'm not sure how hard it would be to resist a honey trap.

I mean a state sponsored enterprise to get you to have sex with someone (or one of a group of people).

Getting him to have sex with her was literally this woman's day job and she was probably told it was a matter of national security.

It is quite absurd once you think about it.

olyjohn 16 hours ago

All he had to do was say no and keep his dick in his pants. Use some judgement, think about your wife and kids (oh yeah and all that national security bullshit). The man with all his money and power can't say no, that's what's absurd.

ungovernableCat 16 hours ago

You’d think being in your 60s would make it a tad easier to not think with your dick but then again a bunch of CEOs are running TRT these days.

This is just deeply embarrassing. His adult children both work for his company so they’d also receive this exact memo.

crossroadsguy 10 hours ago

Imagine Slacking each other: “Daddy’s been naughty”. “Again?”

0x073 11 hours ago

The question is how long took and if he was happy with his family.

It's easy for a professional with china backend to play with your feelings, much easier if you have normal family life or worse.

Is the woman likable it's just a matter of times. (Independent of the gender)

If this happens within a week, I would agree, if this happens within months the gender you like can makes your heart jump if you are I a very long term relationship.

shakow 5 hours ago

> But I'm not sure how hard it would be to resist a honey trap.

The guy has enough money to have sex parties with the prettiest girls on Earth every single night until the end of his life, I'm pretty sure resisting a state-sponsored honeypot is not the hardest thing ever.

giwook 17 hours ago

Easier said than done. Especially when we’re not thinking logically which is surprisingly and disappointingly too often.

chasd00 17 hours ago

“God gave men enough blood to run their brain or penis but not enough for both” - robin williams

giwook 15 hours ago

Honestly this might be the most accurate statement ever made.

Tarq0n 8 hours ago

Honestly a terrible way to deflect responsibility. If you're finding your judgement impaired take a breather, the opportunity is usually not going to disappear right away.

hackernud3s 17 hours ago

> the short-term high is usually not worth it.

People continue to under-value the spank bank. SMH.

reenorap 16 hours ago

It's not going to ruin his life. At worst he will lose $100 bil and maybe if it's really bad, he will get kicked out of Nvidia. He will still have $100 bil and can do whatever he wants at that point.

TheAlchemist 16 hours ago

If the woman involved turns out to really be a Chinese spy, then it will definitely ruin his life.

AI and chips are, for better or worse, considered a national security matter.

krainboltgreene 12 hours ago

Being a “Chinese spy” has very little to do with reality, much like being a terrorist. It’s a matter of what the State Department decides.

ramraj07 12 hours ago

He is the the tech CEO most aligned with the current government’s optimism towards the AI build out and also its key orchestrator. What are the odds he will be held to any real punishment ?

TheAlchemist 10 hours ago

Being a state of national security, yes.

Spy is rather easy to define though, and it hardly depends on what the State Department decides (although of course, they can call anybody a spy, for political or other reasons, I agree on that).

muddi900 9 hours ago

I don't know why this is being downvoted. The federal government has never really prevented a terrorist attack that they themselves have not recruited. It is entrapment, and it is legal in most cases. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but even mainstream media has covered this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment...

It is perfectly reasonable to suspect similar claims of catching "spies".

bigDinosaur 7 hours ago

Your article doesn't support your claim that the 'federal government has never really prevented a terrorist attack'. And a lot of that was highly motivated reporting itself by people like Glenn Greenwald who was basically denying that things like ISIS were real threats at all in 2014 and then went full victim blaming for things like Charlie Hebdo the year after (it was harder after the Bataclan).

Will you next claim that the police have never really prevented a murder?

muddi900 30 minutes ago

I gave a link as a reference of how the Federal government operates. I did not think that I needed a whole bibliography to prove something that is very easily verifiable.

Not only that you think the reporting is not reliable because of the reporter without pointing out what is wrong with the actual report.

But I'll humor you.

- Here is the judge calling the US government the co-conspirator in the same case: https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/07/27/judge-quest...

- The Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot:

- https://www.rawstory.com/plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor/

- https://reason.com/2022/04/08/gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-pl...

- The liberty city seven: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna22249838

- The cleveland bomb plot: https://truthout.org/articles/cleveland-anarchist-bomb-plot-...

- Sami Osmakac: https://archive.is/NINN0

---

These are all the cases that had some investigative reporter poking, or the jury/judge seeing through the bullshit. Here is initial reporting on recent cases. The "Iranian Agent" sent to "Assassinate Donald Trump"(emphasis mine):

>Asif Merchant traveled to New York in June for the purpose of meeting with men he thought he was recruiting to carry out the killings, even paying a $5,000 advance to two would-be assassins who were actually undercover law enforcement officers, federal officials said

https://www.ksat.com/news/politics/2024/08/06/pakistani-man-...

The woman arrested for "plotting to bomb the NY state capital":

>According to the criminal complaint, an FBI confidential source drove Bowie to the Home Depot in Rensselaer and gave her $200 to buy bomb parts. It’s not clear if they told her what items to buy.

https://cbs6albany.com/news/local/feds-say-capital-bombing-t...

---

This is not some fringe idea even here on HN. Here is a clear fed trying incite people to commit violence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49629430

This common in most internet forums. It is called fedposting: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fedpost

I hope all of these sources are of sound character by your standards. Now I would ask you; can you give me an example of the FBI catching a terrorist that:

a) They did not recruit, or b) Did not provide materials, or c) did not provide the target

AS for the police in the US, they are indeed very bad at preventing crime. Though that is due to multiple reasons, mostly policy related, rather than institutional malfeasance like the FBI.

p_j_w 15 hours ago

> It's not going to ruin his life.

It might if he loves his wife.

reenorap 14 hours ago

If he loved his wife he wouldn't have cheated on her, and then humiliated her and his children in front of the entire world.

m10i 14 hours ago

That is not an automatic fact. Humans are very emotionally complex creatures. And Jensen didn't call his secretary and say "can you pencil in 'humiliating my wife and kids around 4PM'? You can? Great, thanks".

reenorap 14 hours ago

He has full agency over his actions, so yes, it's an automatic fact. He knew what he was doing and he knew what the effects would be on his wife. He knew what would happen when this came out. If you're saying he DIDN'T know what would happen, then you're saying he's extremely stupid. I haven't seen any evidence that he is even a little bit stupid.

Are you saying this was an accident and he didn't have control over himself?

If he doesn't have control over himself and he isn't accountable for his actions, then how does that factor into him being the CEO of the most important globally strategic company in the world? Are you saying that he is capable of making actions that he isn't in full control over? Does Nvidia need to have a CEO that doesn't accidentally make mistakes like potentially giving secret information to Chinese spies?

kridsdale1 11 hours ago

People, especially men, are not robots.

4ggr0 5 hours ago

> especially men

meaning that women are more likely to be robots? wasn't aware of this, gotta try doing turing tests on women around me.

happytoexplain 11 hours ago

This seems like an emotionally compromised perspective (which is very, very normal, and I am not insulting you).

It is, of course, not an automatic fact. The context here is emotions, so it makes no sense to point only to agency as proof of an emotional "fact". Such a thing doesn't even exist.

crossroadsguy 10 hours ago

Oh, with this “open letter” he literally did just that.

ryanjshaw 9 hours ago

This is not complicated if you define “love” as “wouldn’t cheat”. Which plenty of people do.

happytoexplain 4 hours ago

Well, yes, nothing is complicated if one already agrees with their audience.

MaxHoppersGhost 13 hours ago

Humans are complex creatures. Plenty of men and women who have loving families and genuinely love their spouses cheat on them and destroy their lives/families. It just takes a moment of weakness. Stay vigilant.

v3ss0n 11 hours ago

Love and sexual attraction is totally different thing. As long as you get married Male usually lose interest and sexual attraction on female and want to try new things. That happens to me too and its like both biological and mental.

tudelo 10 hours ago

It's not really a moment when the moment is stretched over months and years, but yes we are all human and all make mistakes. That does not absolve us of the consequences.

pprotas 10 hours ago

Way to minimize cheating. Describing it as a “moment of weakness” makes it sounds like it’s a minute of lapse of judgement, meanwhile we’re talking about pre-mediated, long-term cheating.

thepasch 8 hours ago

A "moment of weakness" leads to a one-night stand, not to however long a fling needs to be to be dubbed an "extramarital affair."

happytoexplain 11 hours ago

I have zero sympathy for this guy, generally speaking. But this is one of those very few things where what you have said is the socially "correct" thing, and actually is probably healthy to believe, but is factually wrong.

Lamentably, people don't have cartoon emotions. Life would be so much easier if they did.

m10i 14 hours ago

Sometimes, it's the humiliation that comes from the public finding out and putting a spotlight on it that is the kicker; not the random side piece(s) (ex: Bill & Melinda Gates).

I agree, though.

___

edit: Funny enough, there's a House of Cards scene that goes over this exact scenario. Francis is sleeping with Zoe the reporter (they're both using each other for the perks/their own agendas). When Claire finds out, her response is something like "you know you must not embarrass me (publicly) with this", which Francis already knew because he would never do that to Claire... she doesn't say those exact words, but that was the vibe.

DANmode 11 hours ago

> "The reporter? ... What does she offer us?"

m10i 11 hours ago

Exactly

mmmBacon 11 hours ago

If he loses his family over it, it will ruin his life. There’s more to life than money. I hope for your sake that you don’t really believe this morally bankrupt concept.

yoyohello13 11 hours ago

The man was cheating on his wife. He already wasn’t thinking of his family.

throwaway89864 10 hours ago

Allegedly he was assaulted by a spy and wasn't able to deflect that assault. Who knows what techniques they use, wouldn't be surprised if they can sprinkle something in a drink that switches off half the frontal cortex.

bathtub365 10 hours ago

Is there any example of this specific thing happening before?

throwaway89864 9 hours ago

Dopamine agonist are known to ruin impulse control: pramipexole, ropinirole, rotigotine.

dannyw 9 hours ago

That’s just conspiracy talk. It’s called honeypots for a reason. It requires willingness.

bigstrat2003 9 hours ago

I think it's common enough for people to have regrets after the fact. Not all do, but enough that you can't rule it out entirely.

tgv 3 hours ago

Men are known to think with their penises every now and then. His wife knows that too. It's cheating, but cheating is often repaired.

mapcars 6 hours ago

And there is more to life than family too, there is any amount of people who lived great lives without any family.

pbkompasz 11 hours ago

$100 bil? You say that like there aren't trillionaires going around in their "flying" cars... /s

SecretDreams 16 hours ago

> I’m not sure if this will ruin Jensen’s life or not, but it’s a good opportunity for us all to remember that the short-term high is usually not worth it.

I think what you've just described is "post nut clarity". I'm sure he knew what he did immediately, but the gravity of the consequences might've taken a bit to catch up to him.

jmyeet 11 hours ago

One can't help but think of Sergey Brin who famously had an affair with an underling on Google Glass, Amanda Rosenberg [1]. This of course blew up his life and he divorced Anne Wojcicki in ~2014. Of course he got married again and divorced again with another expensive divorce (although neither was in the realm of the cost of Jeff Bezos's divorce).

I think it says a lot about what wealth does to you. A lot of people dream of wealth but I suspect many would be less than thrilled by the reality. It must be incredibly isolating. You constantly have to fend off people who are trying to use you. It must make it harder to trust anyone. A lot of ordinary life experiences are now barred to you.

For example, a lot of executives in these trillion dollar companies are forbidden from flying commercial for security reasons. Nobody would think about missing the airport and everything that entails. In most places it's an objectively awful experience but it's still a shared experience. Going to a private FBO by helicopter to take a Global 7500 direct to your destination is something only a tiny portion of the population can relate to.

So I think this kind of isolation makes such wealthy and/or powerful people more susceptible to this kind of thing because, in a way, they're starved from a lot of human interaction and experiences in a way most of us can't understand (and wouldn't want).

What really is the point of somebody hoarding this much wealth? You kind of have to have sociopathic tendencies (IMHO) because such wealth simply cannot exist without the impoverishment of millions of people. And for you it's kind of a golden prison.

[1]: https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2014/04/sergey-brin-amanda-...

bee_rider 11 hours ago

If there are any billionaires out there who are too alienated by their inability to wait in line at the airport: don’t worry, you can give me the money. It’ll be a burden, but one I think I can handle.

cowlevel 10 hours ago

The airport was just an example. You simply can't do normal people things.

I might not like airport lines but I'd hate to be forbidden from going through that process. I also couldn't just walk down the street to get a pizza. Or go out dancing at night. Or to play board games. Or take a random walk or bike ride around the city. If I was rich and everyone knew it, I'd have to live in a bubble.

That's different from "comfortable rich" where you own your own home and a retirement fund and live mostly normally.

bathtub365 10 hours ago

If you’re that rich but you can’t live a normal life, and you aren’t willing to restructure things to prioritize your life, you’re obviously making a choice in favour of continuing to accumulate wealth or power.

gizajob 10 hours ago

You reckon that if the Concorde was still in existence then all the tech billionaires would be avoiding it? I doubt it.

hnfong 9 hours ago

> I also couldn't just walk down the street to get a pizza.

Well, not necessarily. Jensen Huang was famous for going to random food stalls in Taiwan and eating street food.

It might be harder and riskier, and I get what you mean, but it's not like you actually can't do those things.

Also maybe it's not necessarily a billionaire thing, but more like a fame thing. Billionaires tend to get famous just due to being rich, but I'd imagine a random person wouldn't recognize 80+% of the people on the billionaire list if they saw the billionaire chomping down a pizza in the local pizza place.

bee_rider 19 minutes ago

I think he probably could do normal things outside of major tech hubs. He isn’t famous for his face, like an actor.

If asked he could say he works for a company that makes some computer part.

“Are they well known?”

“Kinda, but mostly datacenters buy them, you probably don’t own one.”

GolfPopper 11 hours ago

And this is part of why we need a billionaire tax - to help these bright, talented people hold on to their humanity.

djray 10 hours ago

With regards the "What really is the point of somebody hoarding this much wealth?" question, I've been thinking a lot about this recently, as the billionaires accrue more influence than ever before. And I think that's the keyword - 'influence'. After a point, wealth doesn't buy you more things, it buys you power, which is seductive. It goes far beyond making your family comfortable and doing right by your company, employees and shareholders; it becomes a means to lever the world. Yes, some of this drive is about being apart from the real world and possibly an element of personal sociopathy (corporations are famously sociopathic entities, too, which probably rubs off on the C-suite execs), but hedonistic adaptation (we're very good at getting used to things, even vast wealth) and wanting to change the world are (I imagine) very addictive. I imagine it even goes some way to assuaging the embarrassment of The Leader of the Free World calling you his AI Expert...sorry, 'SI' Expert.

And it really doesn't help that all these tech bro billionaires think Ayn Rand was a good writer with some fine ideas.

cowlevel 10 hours ago

Related: the market cap of the stock market is basically a conversion factor between currency (for daily purchases) and power (being in charge of all the world's companies). When the market crashes after an election, we shouldn't think of it as "$3T of wealth wiped out", it should be "power gap between normal people and billionaires decreases" (it takes fewer normal people to buy a billionaire's position).

gizajob 10 hours ago

You’re making my heart bleed for the suffering alienated billionaire class.

agent_turtle 6 hours ago

yeah you can't pay your bills or afford a home, but that pales in comparison to how lonely billionaires are. makes you think

jmyeet 2 hours ago

Why is reading comprehension so scarce nowadays?

The last paragraph of my comment basically calls these billionaires sociopaths because you have to be to enrich yourself off the backs of making millions of people poor. How is that a defense of billionaires?

My point is that the "prize" isn't even worth it. It doesn't make you happy. Actually there's one way it seems to make them happy: by enjoying the suffering of others and having the power to influence people and even governments. But to what end?

gizajob an hour ago

Reading comprehension is fine. It’s your writing comprehension.

>So I think this kind of isolation makes such wealthy and/or powerful people more susceptible to this kind of thing because, in a way, they're starved from a lot of human interaction and experiences in a way most of us can't understand (and wouldn't want).

You’re saying here that they’re “starved” of the human contact most of us take for granted (for example in standing around an airport and being squeezed into economy). This is thus a cause for heart-bleeding.

Ingvar Kamprad flew economy and drove an old Volvo. Being extremely wealthy doesn’t have to come with this kind of isolation. If Sergei Brin was flying economy, most of the plane wouldn’t realise who he was and the few who did would be like “oh look it’s Sergei Brin, weird.”

ryanjshaw 9 hours ago

Does wealth do this to people or are people with these tendencies more likely to become wealthy?

happytoexplain 11 hours ago

I appreciate the sentiment, but literally speaking, we may need to have a conversation about what it means to have your "life ruined".

jxramos 11 hours ago

Good reminder to avoid those near occasions of sin.

flowerlad 17 hours ago

Now we have to re-evaluate all his statements in favor of selling to China. For example, we want China to build on "our stack". On the face of it, that seems correct. If China has multiple stacks to pick from why wouldn't we want them to pick our stack? But do they have such a choice?

tsunamifury 17 hours ago

He has been openly advocating to selling to China.

markdown 17 hours ago

As have most. Some, like Tesla and Apple, even have factories there!!!

est31 17 hours ago

Apple has connections so great that United even introduced a whole airport leg SFO-PVG just for them (unless it's an urban legend).

anonymous908213 14 hours ago

I was curious, so I researched it (aka prompted ChatGPT). SFO-PVG was established in 2000, long before Apple offshored all of their manufacturing to China. An article from the time describes it being something that was in demand among Silicon Valley in general[1] rather than Apple particularly. In 2019, United revealed that Apple does spend $35 million/yr on that single route, averaging 50 seats/day[2], so I suppose that's the source of the legend.

[1]https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/shanghai-to-s-f-flig...

[2]https://www.macrumors.com/2019/01/11/apple-united-airline-pu...

ppsreejith 11 hours ago

I think this was SF to Chengdu. From: https://www.reddit.com/r/whoathatsinteresting/comments/1tspz...

From the book: Apple in China

stingrae 9 hours ago

As CEO of a company that sells GPUS, it seems like the more people he's able to sell to the better.

flowerlad 17 hours ago

Another is the pretense of overcoming Chinese resistance. China sent a cute spy to bang the CEO of Nvidia, but they simultaneously set a "strict limit" on import of Nvidia chips. How does that make sense? It makes sense if the purpose of the "strict limit" is so that any sale of H200 to China can be seen as overcoming Chinese restrictions. Anything that is against the Chinese government's resistance must be good for the US, right?

nemomarx 17 hours ago

It could be that they wanted design information and other details from him, and were going to use those to build up domestic manufacturing alongside import restrictions.

It's hard to say from the outside what the goals would be - pushing him in certain directions, extracting intel, etc.

flowerlad 17 hours ago

> It could be that they wanted design information and other details from him

For this it would be much easier if the Chinese spies banged Nvidia engineers.

interlocutor 17 hours ago

We don't know that this is not happening.

stickfigure 15 hours ago

They should list it in the compensation section for job reqs.

tyre 10 hours ago

More likely that she was given devices to plant / message him zero day PDFs or whatever.

thenthenthen 2 hours ago

China also opens up visa free for many countries now, on the other hand, raising requirements for longer stays (work permits, green cards).

t1234s 3 hours ago

I like to see this more alpha pivot in tech.

shrubble 17 hours ago

In parts of Asia it is "expected" that a successful politician or businessman will have a "second family". I'm thinking the spying part (Huang is from Taiwan and was possibly leaking info to China) is considered worse than the cheating part by everyone involved.

losthubble 16 hours ago

US probably cares about the 2bil worth of gpus she brought. This looks like it will get messy.

ii41 15 hours ago

> parts of Asia

That's Japan. Don't make it sound like other parts of Asia are like this.

shrubble 14 hours ago

It’s much more than Japan: Chinese in other countries, Philippines, etc. I’ve met in person sons and daughters from “second families”.

Also the French, so it’s not exclusively a practice of East Asian people.

augment_me 13 hours ago

You literally have cities in China that are called "second wife villages"(二奶村) where politicians and rich people have their mistresses that are located close to ports/airports for quick access on "work trips". In Shenzhen for example its the Luohu (罗湖) and Futian (福田) districts that are for this purpose.

sampullman 11 hours ago

It's a bit much to say the purpose of Luohu is mistresses, but you're right that it definitely is not a Japanese-specific thing.

dumfries 5 hours ago

Might be but last time I checked Huang was not Chinese.

thenthenthen 2 hours ago

Correct, and OCT (also in Shenzhen)

pjjpo 10 hours ago

Don't make it sound like Japan either. It's just not possible where no family with a connection to someone powerful would be satisfied hidden away in a rural village. When caught by a tabloid, your career ends completely, not really excepted behavior.

Foobar8568 9 hours ago

Confident much or are you playing on concubine vs wife game word?

goodcake3963 17 hours ago

With all the money he has, he fell to this

MiroslavPokorny 17 hours ago

Do i really need to remind you of all the orange team ?

b--l 16 hours ago

you need to remind me. What is the "orange team"?

yoyohello13 10 hours ago

Maybe everyone in the Epstein files.

93po 14 hours ago

The owner of the 49ers, a billionaire, was recently arrested for trying to have sex with someone off craigslist in a trailer park.

kridsdale1 11 hours ago

What, that’s a crime now?

muddi900 9 hours ago

Solicitation is indeed a crime

silverFork 12 hours ago

There is no way he would have known that the woman was a spy. Also we can't know if the allegations are true or not either until proven somehow. The woman was from Singapore. Singapore has denied it. but lets assume that she was a spy so why hasn't she been charged yet? Where is she? The chips apparently went to Malaysia .. is there a proof that they were moved to China? There are claims that their clouds were used by the Chinese. Something doesn't add up here.

Malaysia doesnt even show up in the graph of owners but obviously has imported some chips.. were they illegal ones.. who knows. How much relative power does this malaysia have? If it did, wouldnt show up in the graph?

https://epoch.ai/data/ai-chip-owners?view=graph&tab=count&co...

thenthenthen 2 hours ago

These are just US companies in the graph tho?

aryanupardeshi1 an hour ago

Sounds logical to me!

DivingForGold 3 hours ago

Will Huangs wife CASH OUT ?

48585858 3 hours ago

Its priced in