New iPad mini (apple.com)
sheepscreek 18 hours ago
RetpolineDrama 18 hours ago
Danox 12 hours ago
hbn 18 hours ago
Insanity 18 hours ago
hbn 17 hours ago
I bought the new 8 inch Alexa tablet the other day, and the price was decent but it's a piece of shit. I only wanted it for putting on a video in bed while I fall asleep but it can't even do that because when you drop the brightness to minimum, the display randomly turns off (not actually locking the screen, it's still running the app and active, you can touch stuff you can't see, but the pixels are turned off)
prmoustache 2 hours ago
That's...horrifying.
Have you tried closing your eyes?
opan 30 minutes ago
scrlk 18 hours ago
HumblyTossed 17 hours ago
alwillis 16 hours ago
The iPhone sells way more units than the iPad, so it makes sense that it's not a feature for the iPad mini yet.
mtoner23 18 hours ago
scotty79 18 hours ago
qlte 17 hours ago
Actually surprised to learn Apple did the OLED swap and didn't use the opportunity to bump it up at least to 90 hz like the OLED Steam Deck.
smallerize 14 hours ago
scotty79 10 hours ago
20 years ago I was gaming at 30fps and called it smooth. Now 120Hz feels like bare minimum.
addandsubtract 6 hours ago
pvab3 8 hours ago
mrheosuper 6 hours ago
mahboi 5 hours ago
Outdated comparison now that Liquid Glass is lagging my phone.
petu an hour ago
blehn 5 hours ago
kalleboo 4 hours ago
sheepscreek 2 hours ago
It will be buttery smooth between the chops.
ckx 12 hours ago
scotty79 10 hours ago
adamsmark 3 hours ago
benley 17 hours ago
60fps is basically fine as long as you are unaware that it can be any better, but once you find out you are forever spoiled by the knowledge.
lilbigdoot 17 hours ago
I'm sure a lot of people now would feel odd if you gave them a 60Hz phone after high refresh has become so common, even if they don't pay conscious attention to that kind of stuff
thesuitonym 17 hours ago
I know there's a sizable contingent of people who just think a bigger number is better, but realistically this is a device for passively consuming text and video content that is typically around 30 fps anyway. Why waste the battery power on faster refresh?
close04 16 hours ago
eptcyka 12 hours ago
jrmg 7 hours ago
Does the page look and feel glued to your finger as you scroll?
jen20 6 hours ago
Maxion 2 hours ago
Yes, for me issues with apps have mainly been in poorly optimized code causing lag, slow loading and the like. The 60hz/120hz thing has never really been a practical issue.
dontlaugh 5 hours ago
lynndotpy 17 hours ago
Whether the hardware can keep up with Liquid Glass and push 120 frames a second is a different story, of course.
peesem 17 hours ago
mort96 15 hours ago
If only "pro consumers" noticed or cared... well, those "pro consumers" are the ones who think it looks like shit and would rather have a TV without it.
globular-toast 17 hours ago
It's probably not actually as hard to go back as we think it is, but holding on to stuff is in our genes.
atlasduo 16 hours ago
My personal experience is that I do notice the difference - for like a minute - and then I adjust and never care anymore.
globular-toast 15 hours ago
globular-toast 10 hours ago
zamadatix 16 hours ago
Without this, it'd be very hard for an average user to "feel" a performance difference between an A18 Pro in the Neo and say as far as the M5 Max in a MacBook Pro unless they had a "special" use case which really needed the extra CPU/GPU cores.
Of course, they can't stay forever on that. E.g. with the iPhone 17 they finally flipped the non-Pro over. Probably because it was starting to make the iPhone seem sluggish/stuttery compared to other phones more than it was making the iPhone 18 seem fast. Tablets have never seemed to be as fierce a market in terms of your average Joe comparing them, but I'd expect the same switch to being a liability instead of a tool will happen there as well (if they aren't already late to the game).
pvab3 8 hours ago
ckx 13 hours ago
RaisingSpear 34 minutes ago
I don't know how "mobile" gamers are using iPads (or tablets), but considering the size of the market, I doubt it's particularly niche.
mahboi 5 hours ago
7e 5 hours ago
mahboi 5 hours ago
wlesieutre 5 hours ago
Not a blind test, but the smoothness when tracking a moving object is very obvious
sersi 4 hours ago
But maybe it's because I'm 40+ with relatively bad eye vision and 20 years earlier I'd be noticing the difference much more.. But I'd say going from 1080p to 4k was a lot more obvious than that...
Maxion 2 hours ago
blehn 5 hours ago
apparent 5 hours ago
Imagine if someone said "this food won't really taste better to you when you first eat it, but after 6 months you'll find other food tastes worse". To me, this would not be a selling point.
koyote 5 hours ago
I've often had new phones that are 'faster' but I barely notice the fastness until I go back to my old phone and realise that my finger-memory needs adapting because things take just a bit longer to load.
I'd assume it's similar for screen refresh rates.
apparent 4 hours ago
When I got the phones, I did not notice any benefit related to screen refresh. I also did not notice any detriment when I went back to my 13 mini after two weeks on a 120 Hz screen.
But if it was as GP said, and it's only something you notice when you go back to a "lesser" screen, then that would not be a selling point in my book.
alsetmusic 3 hours ago
olyjohn 3 hours ago
zeppelin101 3 hours ago
biggc 3 hours ago
apparent 3 hours ago
And I would disagree that only the story matters. If that were the case, people wouldn't go to the theater (a trend that has started happening in the last 15 years as people have been able to rig their living rooms to give an experience that is nearly theater quality, especially when considering cost and convenience. When we had 20" TVs, they were no substitute for going to the movies.
alexgoodhart 2 hours ago
Either way, a larger screen is not the same improvement as higher resolution. And more importantly, the reason people may not go to the movies when they have a home theater system is partly due to justifying the cost of the theater system.
comboy an hour ago
With food also you could be incrementally getting better and better food and when you then try v1 it would taste bad.
It seems that we might also be noticing slight degradation more than slight improvement in general? No idea if that's true.
swiftcoder 2 hours ago
andriesm 37 minutes ago
neya 5 hours ago
"I don't have an issue with it, so most people also don't have an issue with it"
False Consensus Effect (or false consensus fallacy):
It happens when someone overestimates how much other people agree with them, assuming that their own personal beliefs, values, or experiences are the default for everyone else.
crazygringo 5 hours ago
It's a very small minority who cares.
neya 5 hours ago
Cite your sources, please or you're just echoing "trust me, bro".
drawfloat 3 hours ago
Klonoar an hour ago
neya 6 minutes ago
simjnd an hour ago
bodge5000 10 minutes ago
Aurornis 17 hours ago
I can spot a 60Hz display from jiggling the mouse pointer for a second.
I’ve also done side-by-side comparisons of full screen scrolling on 60Hz and 120Hz screens for less technical people who could barely perceive a difference when I was pointing it out, but it took some time to get them to see it.
MKBHD (YouTube tech video and reviewer) talks about this a lot: It’s highly valuable to people like you and me who are attuned to the performance of our devices, but most people don’t notice. Or care!
I would appreciate high Hz displays everywhere, but I admit that Apple has probably made the right consumer choice tradeoff to compromise on refresh rate for these lower end devices where minimum cost and maximum battery life are the two most important features for those who buy them.
vunderba 17 hours ago
So if you’re actively moving between a high-refresh-rate device (like a lot of people here with their 144hz monitors) and then one with a lower refresh rate, you’re probably more sensitive (and potentially annoyed) by the discrepancy.
asdff 14 hours ago
Viewing distance plays a factor too. I realized 4k tvs are useless to me because I can't perceive 1080p pixels unless I'm comparison shopping in a TV show room from 2 feet away (probably why they don't let you experience appropriate TV viewing distances in these spaces in the first place).
asdff 14 hours ago
Danox 12 hours ago
seemaze 17 hours ago
MarkusWandel 17 hours ago
cromka 16 hours ago
zamadatix 16 hours ago
Grombobulous 7 hours ago
Look at Apple’s own smartphone lineup. The Pro models with 120Hz screens get better battery life than the low end iPhone models.
You could make up for the difference in battery life with an almost undetectable amount of extra battery capacity from both a cost and size standpoint.
ashkankiani 7 hours ago
Do you think they couldn't add a refresh rate control to the device if you wanted to have lower battery? They already have variable refresh rate implemented, a much harder problem.
I remember the age of when Intel used to lock down hardware multipliers for overclocking behind the K versions, and GPUs did too. This is a well known practice, and Apple is not above it.
frio 6 hours ago
html5cat 6 hours ago
sheepscreek 14 hours ago
- Apple introduces OLED and talks about deep blacks and 1200 bits
- Why do they think people care about the above and not 120hz as well?
To the average consumer, neither matters much. True. But the above did not make much sense to me.
Danox 12 hours ago
120hz at 5k requires Thunderbolt 5 (ie better graphics card, more info down the pipeline.
Which is why most of the PC world is on cheap 4k monitors still.
scq 2 hours ago
Most 5K monitors on the PC side are not going to be driven over Thunderbolt, but rather DisplayPort or HDMI.
And the most popular resolution on PC is not 4k, but rather 1080p and 1440p.
catchnear4321 7 hours ago
To the average consumer, obsessing over scroll feeling not completely perfect is a distraction from watching the next Avengers movie, if not downright neurotic behavior.
To a prosumer, the value may be obvious but the price may not be worth it. Which can lead to a distaste for the company, for not being a more accommodating company.
To a professional, if you need it, you need it, and you begrudgingly pay for it. Because you need it.
I don’t even know what my phone screen has. Wasn’t why I bought the pro at the time. Wanted the additional ram. So I wouldn’t feel as pressed to upgrade now. (Prosumer, aka neurotic.)
coldtea 14 hours ago
codingisfreedom 4 hours ago
Brian_K_White 2 hours ago
I could not care less about any refresh rate over 30.
You can care about it, but that just means it sounds like a differentiator to me, not something everyone should pay for just because you care about it.
You will have to somehow prove it if you would say that the panel and driver chip are all already ready to do 100+ hz for free by default, and are actually artificially limited, and that that artificial limitation doesn't come with some other advantage like battery life (allowing a smaller battery or less cost in some other way).
seviu an hour ago
lcnmrn an hour ago
opan 33 minutes ago
I get horribly motion sick playing some games like Half-Life 2, Metroid Prime, or the original DOOM. I run my phone at 120Hz and like it. For games, cranking up the FoV tends to help, also disabling effects like viewbobbing, blur, shaking, etc.
I understand this is not fun to experiment with, though. Once I'm motion sick, I tend to be the entire day, only sleeping fixes it, so I'm not usually excited to keep trying to tweak the thing that makes me sick. I tend to dive into settings before playing any game now. I hate when it auto starts the game to appear cinematic.
isoprophlex 2 hours ago
If that were literally true, by now we'd be walking around with devices the size of Mt. Rushmore.
etatester an hour ago
KeplerBoy an hour ago
illwrks 36 minutes ago
The same will apply to everything any company is marketing, at the very least it will always be their 'best' 'new' product.
ProZsolt 19 hours ago
I was actually excited for this, but now I’m going to pass.
sapphire4 19 hours ago
abhikul0 18 hours ago
I wanted to upgrade my air(gen4) but with these prices it's just not happening. Oh and no support for the perfectly fine apple pencil I already got with it is just....
spolitry 18 hours ago
throwaway270925 16 hours ago
benced 15 hours ago
tgma 8 hours ago
NDizzle 6 hours ago
SV_BubbleTime 5 hours ago
The question you I think should ask is who finds this value reasonable?. To which, I can only answer my myself who can’t see any reason to upgrade from my iPhone 15.
busymom0 3 hours ago
brailsafe 13 minutes ago
It's cool that you have extra cash to blow on pointless devices, but you were looking to upgrade from an iPhone to an iPad mini?
apparent 5 hours ago
But yeah, a top-of-the-line iPad mini costs well more than an MBA, which seems kind of nuts. Add on a keyboard case and Apple Pencil Pro and you're looking at $1,500.
fnord77 4 hours ago
that's huge
rochak 2 hours ago
aucisson_masque 38 minutes ago
Add to that a locked OS, and you got a bingo.
micw 18 hours ago
water-drummer 18 hours ago
hollerith 18 hours ago
ezconnect 18 hours ago
WithinReason 18 hours ago
PalmPilotProMax 18 hours ago
chihuahua 16 hours ago
addaon 16 hours ago
echoangle 18 hours ago
Hamuko 18 hours ago
rendaw 18 hours ago
pseufaux 18 hours ago
ChrisRR 18 hours ago
In reality the back was curved, and they took pictures from an angle that only showed off the edge of the screen and not how far back it curved
swiftcoder 18 hours ago
You only see the thickness at the back from an angle where you can't actually use the computer (and for many people, that whole angle is going to be against the wall). This is the good kind of design - making something appear beautiful without compromising the core function.
I'm distinctly less convinced about ever-thinner mobile devices that I immediately have to slap a case on...
olyjohn 12 hours ago
devindotcom 17 hours ago
lotsofpulp 17 hours ago
frantathefranta 17 hours ago
codehorses 17 hours ago
devindotcom 16 hours ago
this is directly side-on. they've def removed the camera bump. In the initial animation at the top where the hand grabs it too. the bump is very clear in shots later!
wait... could they have hidden it under the hand? and why does that person's thumb seem extra long?! the more I look at this the less I understand it.
estebank 15 hours ago
The video keeps triggering my sense of seeing CGI, but the hiding effect on display can absolutely be accomplished in camera.
cj 5 hours ago
daemonologist 17 hours ago
I would assume, however, that they didn't "fake" it - that they instead chose a filming position and lens such that camera was obscured behind the edge of the device (the edge facing the viewer is the far side from the camera). Bit of trickery for sure though.
lynndotpy 17 hours ago
from this page: https://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/specs/
jotaen 16 hours ago
I’d suspect the same. From that angle, the camera bump is on the opposite edge; when I hold my iPad Air in the same position, the camera bump is also just about hidden.
That being said, I’d also suspect that Apple chose that angle deliberately.
andai 15 hours ago
ch_sm 12 hours ago
HumblyTossed 17 hours ago
b473a 16 hours ago
A minimal camera bump means they've advanced the technology to make it small, but no camera bump makes it look like they're using a cheaper camera?
encom 16 hours ago
Arcuru 18 hours ago
If they put the tiny "front-facing" camera pointed out the back it would be enough for the vast majority of people I imagine.
NikolaNovak 18 hours ago
Don't get me wrong, I understand it happens - back when I did wedding photography, one of my massive pet peeves were the uncles and grandparents who stepped into the aisle with their massive tablets just as bride is starting her walk... But I do not understand it at all :-/.
I'd absolutely happily completely kill the rear facing tablet camera. I've had at least a dozen android and ipad tablets and I genuinely don't think I took a single photo with them - it'd feel weird and awkward and so ostentious.
(As always as a consumer, clearly I'm in minority here :-})
dylan604 17 hours ago
NikolaNovak 17 hours ago
NetMageSCW 18 hours ago
itishappy 18 hours ago
bryanlarsen 18 hours ago
sandcat_ 18 hours ago
threetonesun 18 hours ago
rjh29 16 hours ago
My mum's Samsung S23 Ultra has a ridiculous camera bump and rocks back and forth when you use it, even with some thinner cases. You need a super thick case for it to stay stable.
chis 15 hours ago
Gigachad 7 hours ago
There's also many users who don't need a case. A lot of ipads are POS systems that are fixed to the bench so they don't need a case either.
simoncion 5 hours ago
Given that the impact-absorbing parts could be [0]
...rubber on the edges where impact protection is needed.
and could obviously be designed to be replaceable, either by a handy user or an Apple Technician, why wouldn't you want Apple to design the feel and balance of a device with a case that has built-in impact protection?Apple's decision to make most of its handhelds out of various grades of "fragililum" has boggled my mind since they sold the first iPhone with an easily-shattered glass back. That choice makes sense for a conspicuous status symbol that people are going to take very good care of... but most folks either end up with one with damage that makes plain how theirs is not the kind of life that makes that possible, or they have installed some aftermarket shell that ruins the effect by covering up the conspicuously fragile part of the hardware.
amelius 18 hours ago
dgellow 18 hours ago
Though I do hate that bump. I just tried a duo and the bump makes it awkward to hold as a tablet
JK-Swizzle 15 hours ago
The big examples are iPhone Air and iMac.
From my experience, the iPhone bumps are a lot more noticeable than their iPad siblings.
paxy 18 hours ago
dylan604 18 hours ago
dpark 17 hours ago
No one attempted to dictate anything. They expressed an opinion. HN is a discussion forum. This is exactly what it’s for.
Your point would look stronger if you had only included your last two sentences without the indignation of the first two.
dylan604 16 hours ago
That is not expressing of an opinion but dictating an action. "I think they should get rid of it entirely..." would be the expressing of an opinion.
r_lee 16 hours ago
phoghed 15 hours ago
More likely though they’re trying to signal their membership to the in-group that’s always circle jerking on every iPhone/iPad post about SD cards, removable battery, thick small phone, flush camera, etc.
dpark 15 hours ago
The top comment thread here is complaining about the camera bump.
phoghed 14 hours ago
dpark 14 hours ago
phoghed 14 hours ago
r_lee 14 hours ago
it's not super "ethical" if you're like triggered by (maybe) harsh opinions, but it gets people to chime in vs just lurking
dpark 15 hours ago
He’s literally expressing an opinion. There is no in here to “dictate” to.
swiftcoder 18 hours ago
AlanYx 17 hours ago
koiueo 3 hours ago
Too bad though, there's no way to put a scanned document onto iPad in Apple's ecosystem other than the otherwise useless camera.
dawnerd 17 hours ago
jghn 17 hours ago
turblety 18 hours ago
venzaspa 18 hours ago
matwood 17 hours ago
paulwilsontx01 17 hours ago
encom 15 hours ago
internet2000 4 hours ago
encom 4 hours ago
bob1029 17 hours ago
al_borland 17 hours ago
I also don’t think I’ve ever seen an Apple exec use a case, as it would imply the phones are durable and a case is needed, which they don’t want to convey. (Bumpers for antenna-gate aside)
belzebub 17 hours ago
Zircom 17 hours ago
addaon 6 hours ago
To "b" or not to "b". Apparently the latter.
skydhash 17 hours ago
Also my favorite smartphone was a motorola with a cloth back (ballistic something) and a metal frame. No cover was needed for this one.
thiht 16 hours ago
What year is it, 2012?
encom 15 hours ago
I would be content if they'd stop making phones slippier than a wet bar of soap. My Pixel 8a is ridiculous, I don't know how they do it. If you have dry hands, it's nearly impossible to hold on to.
saltcured 15 hours ago
Found one on Amazon so I dodge Google's exorbitant plastic markup, and it is a relatively minimalist wrap that smooths out the camera bump and makes it more grippy in hand, in pockets, and on flat surfaces.
The behavior of those slippery phones in pockets is almost the bigger gripe to me. Like they are a new class of motion amplifier, trying to rotate and squirt their way out at the slightest twitch.
jghn 13 hours ago
I would never use a case with a phone of any sort. I don't like the extra bulk, and the friction they add is annoying.
Meanwhile I never use a tablet or kindle device without a cover.
PcChip 15 hours ago
ssl-3 15 hours ago
The curvature on the back of those is such that it's harder to rotate into a position so the thumb can hit the right button than a flat surface would be.
It also means that resting it on the arm of a recliner produces about the same result as just dropping it into the void to begin with: It's going to wind up there either way.
gregglain 2 hours ago
jazzyjackson 15 hours ago
izzydata 17 hours ago
weezing 17 hours ago
izzydata 16 hours ago
alberth 17 hours ago
throwaway270925 16 hours ago
ChocolateGod 17 hours ago
thermals.
ProfessorLayton 14 hours ago
Doohickey-d 17 hours ago
mandeepj 17 hours ago
Not really! The cover just follows the seam. And larger batteries will increase the weight as well, which Apple definitely doesn't want.
gwbas1c 14 hours ago
That being said, even with my Pixel in a case, the camera still protrudes.
It would be interesting to try a camera where the lens extends out when the camera is activated; and flat otherwise.
unethical_ban 14 hours ago
Perhaps if they put a very small lip around the camera lens and a physical bump on the other side so the device doesn't rock, at least it would be symmetrical and the glass would be slightly less prone to surface contact.
etatester an hour ago
They came up with the plateau, just make the whole plateau flat already.
gyomu 18 hours ago
The iPad Mini started with a 7.9" screen, bumped today to 8.5".
The iPhone Duo inner display is 7.6", there are already rumors saying a gen 2 or gen 3 might be 7.9".
It's interesting how smooth the iPhone/iPad continuum is becoming.
frantathefranta 18 hours ago
Quick look at the Mini dimensions also seems like it barely got bigger overall since 1st gen.
LtWorf 18 hours ago
when he goes "iphone small (big)" "iphone big (bigger)" and so on. He has a bunch of them.
1-6 18 hours ago
klausa 18 hours ago
idreyn 17 hours ago
mi_lk 17 hours ago
rwbt 17 hours ago
wffurr 16 hours ago
wtch98 16 hours ago
red369 6 hours ago
The main body of the iPhone Air is thinner, of course, but including the camera bulge, I think it's thicker than all non-pro iPhones up to the 16.
Is there something about making the main body thinner that makes the iPhone Air more comfortable to hold than other smaller phones? Is it the weight? The 17e is only 4 g heavier than the Air, and the 16e is only 2 g heavier.
I have never been interested in the Air because of the size, so I can't even remember if I have picked one up in an Apple Store.
mrheosuper 6 hours ago
alberth 17 hours ago
jghn 17 hours ago
gtirloni 16 hours ago
dd8601fn 15 hours ago
s4i 2 hours ago
krtkush 18 hours ago
These prices are insane and there is no sign of things slowing down.
dgellow 18 hours ago
joshstrange 18 hours ago
dgellow 17 hours ago
pxoe 16 hours ago
9x39 15 hours ago
Commodity hardware is plenty powerful and can be taken advantage of should prices signal efficiency is important again.
pants2 17 hours ago
AndroTux 17 hours ago
Marsymars 17 hours ago
e.g. I've got three screens in my house (office TV, living room TV, basement projector) in Canada — upgrading to the latest Apple TV on each of them would cost me $1,287.
criddell 17 hours ago
It should be less expensive but I rely on it (cancelled cable TV and just have streaming now) and so I'm just happy they are still working on it.
TheHalfDeafChef 16 hours ago
criddell 16 hours ago
bombcar 7 hours ago
clintonb 16 hours ago
I say this as an Apple shareholder.
Marsymars 16 hours ago
Sure, and I can also complain about the pricing being unreasonable — which I also say an an Apple shareholder.
jachee 7 hours ago
dannyobrien 7 hours ago
[1] - See "far the worst iPhone experience ever" Daring Fireball review: https://daringfireball.net/#:~:text=one.%20The%20outer%20dev...
chaostheory 6 hours ago
etatester an hour ago
We will eventually see "foldable MacBook" because I genuinely want a 20" screen in my backpack or even just a smaller 16" MacBook. I guess not coming before 2035
jmull 18 hours ago
AI Optimist: AI is going usher in an era of unparalleled productivity and achievement
The reality: RAM/Chip prices are way, way up. The starter iPad mini is $700.
kleiba2 18 hours ago
Is the comparison unfair because today's model is much more powerful than the one from 14 years ago? Perhaps. But perhaps it shouldn't be compared to the past, but to its relative competitors?
[0] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2012/10/23Apple-Introduces-iP...
xattt 18 hours ago
A toilet from a hundred years ago in the same product tier serves the same function as one today. Old models were also more expensive when adjusted for inflation, but today's toilets can tackle more turds with less water.
qlte 16 hours ago
HumblyTossed 17 hours ago
Gigachad 7 hours ago
The upfront cost of a device is less important than the total cost of ownership, which highly depends on the lifespan of the device. An ipad that lasts 2.5 years needs to be half the price of one that lasts 5 years.
mahboi 5 hours ago
650REDHAIR 3 hours ago
paxy 18 hours ago
dofm 17 hours ago
paxy 17 hours ago
hbn 16 hours ago
paxy 14 hours ago
hbn 13 hours ago
Same reason this year, for the first time ever, Apple announced their new Pro phones (and the ultra-expensive Duo) but no base-model iPhone 18. They're paying more for memory so they're gonna use it on the devices where they make more on a sale.
m463 15 hours ago
12 reasons why the iPad Mini is $250 more expensive than iPad 11-inch:
1) ...mrweasel 17 hours ago
So that cloud providers can have servers and GPUs sitting unpowered in warehouses and datacenters.
dofm 17 hours ago
I know it’s now a trope to say “an incoming Democratic Congress should…” but there are really serious questions to ask about the means by which Nvidia is securing such a radically high value buy-and-hold strategy, and whether it amounts to deceptive channel stuffing.
The whole tech industry is using apparent demand for Blackwell GPUs as a proxy for AI demand, when this is a wholly broken metric because Nvidia seems to be gaming it, and everyone (consumer and business alike) is paying more as a result.
flaunf221 17 hours ago
This has tiny 128 GB of storage and unknown but obviously not too high amount of RAM. At best 16, but probably less.
That's just Apple beeing greedy as usual.
spiderice 17 hours ago
flaunf221 17 hours ago
I can open my local store and will see shitty 8/128 Android tablets for less than 150 euro. If memorypocalypse was the main reason for pricing new ipad mini as it is, the budget tablet segment would be completely dead because manufacturers just wouldn't be able to afford memory at all.
mrheosuper 6 hours ago
asdff 14 hours ago
KetoManx64 10 hours ago
throw0101c 18 hours ago
* https://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/specs/ § Location
Edit: to perhaps make it more clear, I meant still sell a +Cellular variant with the C-series chips (or whatever), but move the GNSS functionality into the N-series chips. So you'd have a non-cellular and a cellular, but both would have GNSS.
drfloyd51 18 hours ago
The buyer is also signing up for a monthly payment. So clearly they have the cash to make an “extra monthly payment” or two up front.
jillesvangurp 18 hours ago
But any device that has that embedded would have some royalty overhead added to the BOM. Which is why they've always had ipads with and without 5G and have so far never really bothered with adding this on laptops (which actually would make a lot of sense from a technical point of view). Operators would probably love that because it's a nice up-sell opportunity on monthly subscriptions. And with soft sims there would not be a need for a hardware sim card.
For the same reason, you don't see this feature on many other laptops either. There are a few obviously but it's a less common feature than you'd expect given how important good connectivity is to most laptop users.
kotaKat 18 hours ago
The C3 modem is just around the corner though, as is the satellite network Globalstar's been building behind the scenes for it.
https://investors.globalstar.com/news-releases/news-release-...
It's now live and on-air for testing...
dylan604 17 hours ago
jillesvangurp 17 hours ago
dylan604 17 hours ago
jillesvangurp 14 hours ago
It's not just Apple. 5G stacks in laptop are just very uncommon. Most vendors seem to independently come to the conclusion that they are better off not bundling that. Of course the difference is that Apple now has their own modems and chips for this. Which might change things but so far hasn't.
The reasons Apple want to vertically integrate everything and own it are easier to grasp: chips, firmware and software made by them are easier to control and upgrade by them. With qualcomm, they are basically getting them, their development teams, their supply chains for chips on the critical path to shipping products. And they are outsourcing what is a pretty major part of the whole phone experience to a third party.
Apple has been working on their own 5G modem for many years before they shipped it. I don't know for sure but I would not be surprised if efforts for that started when Steve Jobs was still alive even. This was always the logical move for them to make as soon as they got the idea of doing their own chipsets for their phones.
enos_feedler 15 hours ago
judge2020 7 hours ago
throw0101c 17 hours ago
I know of pilots who buy the +Cellular simply for GNSS and do not get a separate plan.
Charging more for the C-series hardware is understandable, but if there's enough of a 'transistor budget' it would be nice for the GNSS functionality to be more universal (since the N-series seems to be going into everything).
nakovet 18 hours ago
r0fl 18 hours ago
Check Porsche 911 / Boxster pricing in Canada over those years or Chanel bags
Luxury inflation > normal inflation
paxy 18 hours ago
SkyeCA 18 hours ago
mahboi 5 hours ago
jkahrs595 18 hours ago
Grombobulous 17 hours ago
The iPad is not the only device that has had price increases in the last year.
r0fl 15 hours ago
mahboi 5 hours ago
ezconnect 18 hours ago
andjd 18 hours ago
__rito__ 18 hours ago
al_borland 17 hours ago
jachee 7 hours ago
“Oh, ho, ho… you sweet summer child.” —Capitalism
mahboi 5 hours ago
addaon 6 hours ago
- They never came back down.
- Diet soda and seltzer prices spiked too.
Barbing 18 hours ago
Keeping up appearances:
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rjrjrjrj 18 hours ago
The iPad mini hasn’t been the budget iPad for quite a few years now. It is more like a small iPad Air now.
lcnmrn an hour ago
xrd 18 hours ago
M4 chip.
Her mom's cats chewed on the corner of the screen. It won't turn on.
The cost to replace that screen: $1200.
Apparently OLED screens break completely if just a single pixel is damaged.
ChrisRR 18 hours ago
dreamcompiler 17 hours ago
red369 6 hours ago
dreamcompiler 3 hours ago
gib444 17 hours ago
That's Apple saying to you: omg, stop being so poor and wasting our time, just buy another one
FireBeyond 13 hours ago
At the Genius Bar expected something reasonable, realistic... $300? Parts and labor.
"So we have a quote for you, $950. Perhaps we go out and look at the new Macs together?"
90% of the cost of the laptop to replace the charging port.
makeitdouble 17 hours ago
That has been the case basically since Apple Care existed IMHO.
alwillis 16 hours ago
Not true. Apple has a self-service repair program for most of its products, including the iPad mini.
All the repair manuals are available online and you can buy official Apple parts. [1] They'll even sell or rent the tools you will need.
makeitdouble 14 hours ago
As far as I remember, the self-repair kits only make sense in very niche cases (I think repair shop get a different contract ?) and won't work around any limitations Apple puts on parts or repairs.
xrd 11 hours ago
It was funny, the guy was narrating as he is searching saying "Whoa, this is the most I've ever seen... Wow, oh man... Hold on..."
I knew it was not going to be good.
I asked if there were any DIY options for me.
He said I could possibly find a used iPad online and swap that screen. But, given the insane prices of the replacement screen, I assume the secondary market for a salvageable iPad that works is really tough.
At this point it makes sense to just buy another used iPad.
asdff 14 hours ago
mint5 12 hours ago
Grombobulous 7 hours ago
The current version of this model of iPad purchased brand new is $1700.
In other words, this is the highest end iPad available. Any other lower spec model reduces the repair cost lower than what you were quoted.
mrheosuper 6 hours ago
rconti 16 hours ago
They've clearly given almost no thought into how the (already marginal) iPadOS renders on a smaller screen.
asimovDev 18 hours ago
non-starter
twostorytower 18 hours ago
cyanydeez 18 hours ago
This isn't even a "people dont see that fast".
It just, it seems more like a perceptual addiction to a trivial feature. A penis measuring contest more than a useful advancement of technology.
throwaway85825 18 hours ago
afavour 18 hours ago
drfloyd51 18 hours ago
goodmythical 18 hours ago
The only genuine performance increase I could see is if you're using it for drawing/notes because the Apple Pencil samples at 240/s so you would see a difference in drawing smoothness between 60/120/240hz screens. This would mirror the use case in fast-paced and high action games - more info for your eyes sooner allowing better reaction times.
Also, isn't ProMotion just branded VRR? Allowing for lower battery use in static/low change applications?
speak_plainly 18 hours ago
asdff 13 hours ago
kingstnap 18 hours ago
If you plan to look at moving things, like scrolling, which is a central part of using the device, 120fps makes the scrolling less blurry and therefore more pleasant to look at.
This is like asking why people have a hardon for cars with nicer materials for seats and interiors if a normal cheap plastic interior could pass all the same crash tests.
poly2it 18 hours ago
dawnerd 17 hours ago
ezconnect 18 hours ago
BenFranklin100 16 hours ago
It’s a penis measuring contest for display enthusiasts, much like gold connectors are for audio enthusiasts.
RASBR89 16 hours ago
I can see the 120hz nice scroll when I’m paying attention but I’m normal use on these devices I forget about it. Basically it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me but I agree it should probably be the standard
jerojero 18 hours ago
the price is a bit high, but that's all apple products.
i do think this means a lot of android tablets on this form factor are going to start coming out with OLED screens as well though, which is good, as they will be much cheaper.
bbatha 18 hours ago
vallerie 18 hours ago
For the iPad Air (especially the 13" model!) I agree 100%.
pprotas 18 hours ago
codq 13 hours ago
This is a major reason why I'm ponying up the dough for the iPhone Duo.
The iPhone Duo is as close as we're getting to the iPad Mini Pro we've all been asking for.
declan_roberts 18 hours ago
dawnerd 17 hours ago
enos_feedler 15 hours ago
throwaway270925 12 hours ago
fg137 18 hours ago
Never once did I hold my iPad mini with a case and think, "damn this thing is heavy"
deadbabe 17 hours ago
hbn 16 hours ago
The novelty of how thin my M5 iPad Pro is still hasn't worn off. Sometimes it's just nice to hold some tech in your hand that feels like it's from the future.
fg137 12 hours ago
In the case of iPhone Air and Galaxy Edge phones, there were notable compromises to achieve a thinner body, for which many people don't consider an improvement.
Granted, I have not seen or used the new iPad mini, and I don't know if any such compromise has been made. But probably should leave it open until we conclude this is a plus.
vallerie 18 hours ago
rumori 17 hours ago
AndroTux 17 hours ago
freeplay 16 hours ago
rjrjrjrj 16 hours ago
rao-v 4 hours ago
kennyadam 18 hours ago
Zigurd 18 hours ago
steelframe 18 hours ago
amelius 18 hours ago
r0fl 18 hours ago
The homeview at $299 is the great value Apple product by far, compared to the price of new iPads
The 512 nano texture iPad mini with a case and pencil and Apple care and tax and tip in Canada is well over $2000!!!
paxy 18 hours ago
Tagbert 17 hours ago
Right now, I think they are bringing out an MVP and waiting to see how people react to it and what kinds of things turn out to be useful. When they launched the Watch, no one was sure what kinds of things we would want to do on it. It took a while to see what was useful. I think a model where apps on your phone provide HomeView widgets like the Watch might be better than writing apps specifically for such a device.
paxy 17 hours ago
dkdbejwi383 18 hours ago
r0fl 15 hours ago
tacker2000 17 hours ago
There is no app store. I mean maybe they will add one later, but still until that happens I really dont see any use case besides setting some kitchen timers.
Yes, smart home is a thing, but tons of people need apps like Hue or Shelly to control their setup.
r0fl 15 hours ago
I’m buying one for my parents and in-laws
They have iPads
iPads are never charged and in some random spot in their being empty houses
This will make sure my kids can FaceTime their grandparents whenever they want
That’s worth $300 to make my kids and my parents happy
bigyabai 8 hours ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that charged iPads are not the primary constraint here. If you can't trust them to keep their iPads charged, there's a good chance that you'll come back in a year and the HomeView hasn't left the setup screen, or is sitting in a box somewhere.
StrictDabbler 14 hours ago
crossroadsguy 3 hours ago
That's it! Hitting "Buy". This was all I needed to read. Even though the ™ symbol is missing it will do.
al_borland 17 hours ago
I also question what is required for nanotexture. I read the iPhone Duo has this in a replaceable screen protector, effectively. A replacement, under AppleCare is $15. Are we being charged $100 for a factory installed screen protector? If so, why does that need to be tied to certain levels of storage to reduce SKUs?
scrlk 17 hours ago
addaon 6 hours ago
dkdbejwi383 18 hours ago
declan_roberts 18 hours ago
rramon 17 hours ago
jerojero 18 hours ago
But the price is a bit high, that's the history of Apple though. On the other hand, I think this particular screen is probably going to be sourced by cheaper small android tablets at a much more competitive price, and if you're using it for media consumption, there's no difference between an Apple and an Android tablet.
So I'm happy to see OLED on this model.