Norway Eyes Partial Ban of Smart Glasses (barrons.com)
phyzome 13 minutes ago
indoordin0saur 3 hours ago
I see what you did there.
DonHopkins 2 hours ago
pluc an hour ago
acd 21 minutes ago
laxd 2 hours ago
tene80i an hour ago
laxd 13 minutes ago
someonebaggy an hour ago
laxd an hour ago
A couple of examples:
* We have one of the worlds best bottle deposit systems. Now that the EU has made their rules. Norway has to spend tons of money regressing to a common system. [1]
* Norway has good cleansing facilities for water/sewage. Now that the EU has made their decisions - based on research from urban regions of southern europe and the pollution of rivers - sparsely populated fjord communes of Norway dont know how the fuck they will pay for upgrades to their already modern systems, other than passing it on to an already strained population. [2] (Norwegiens are not generally rich. Our state is rich. They use the money for investing in anything but Norway. Manhatten real estate is good. Norwegian roads, hospitals and elder care is not*).
[1] https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/eu-vil-tvinge-norge-til-a-innfor...
[2] https://www.nrk.no/vestland/nye-eu-krav-til-avlopsreinsing-k...
* It's arguable that the poor state of many affairs in Norway is due to a spoiled bureaucracy and wastefull economy rather than lack of investement.
birdsongs 10 minutes ago
And we're building one of the most advanced tunnels in the world (deepest, longest, most complex), between Stavanger and Haugesund.
I agree the state could be less frugal, but it's hardly poverty conditions. It's not perfect, no where ever is. But I grew up in an actually corrupt nation and region. It is not like that here.
For healthcare, I don't know what you mean either. Specialists for non-time sensitive matters can take a while, but anything immediate (cancer, acute emergencies), is immediate access to some of the best healthcare on this planet, for free.
I saw family die in the US for our hospitals and healthcare. You have no idea how bad it is elsewhere if you think it's poor here.
I'm not saying things can't be better. But you're sitting on top of the mountain and complaining it's not tall enough. Look around you.
eecks 2 hours ago
cleansy an hour ago
logancbrown an hour ago
eejej 44 minutes ago
The point is if you’re recording with a handheld device at least you can ensure there is some level of awareness to those around who can duck/signal they don’t want to be in it.
How can you do that with meta glasses?
Get real man.
stevage 8 minutes ago
vkdelta 2 hours ago
Is it the added convenience of the glasses?
ubercore 2 hours ago
stronglikedan an hour ago
Trying to ban recording in public is silly. People just need to realize that they're probably being recorded in public. That cat has been out of the bag for many years now.
goatlover 43 minutes ago
iamnothere 2 hours ago
tombert 2 hours ago
MengerSponge 2 hours ago
It's the same as a buttonhole camera used for spying. The differentiator (vs a phone or SLR or similar) is that its primary function is concealed.
wyre 2 hours ago
If you have to defend smart glasses based on a technicality, that doesn't reflect very well on the glasses.
InvertedRhodium 2 hours ago
Even if we banned smart glasses, we'd still see ever-expanding networks of privately owned cameras that record every movement you make. We'd still have networks of ring cameras and similar devices. We'll still have ever-increasing use of AI to sort and categorise the content.
Privacy is dead. Smart glasses are just an uncomfortable reminder of this fact, and banning them without addressing the over-arching issue is similar to sticking our collective head in the sand.
iamnothere 2 hours ago
Just because we haven’t yet beaten ALPRs doesn’t mean I want some dickhead recording me at a hot spring without me knowing. Having both things to deal with is worse than having just one.
InvertedRhodium an hour ago
Maybe if we started with the "strap cameras to the face of the population" plan we'd all have been less inclined to act like frogs in rapidly warming water. Alas.
iamnothere an hour ago
I would understand if you felt this way privately, in fact I can relate to that.
InvertedRhodium an hour ago
Society at large spent a long time ridiculing people with these concerns, are you really so shocked that I am enjoying the moment where the issue comes home to roost? I'm not obligated to be a constructive member of society in all regards.
futune an hour ago
burkaman 2 hours ago
Targeting smart glasses specifically seems to narrow though, because there are obviously many other ways to carry around a hidden camera in public, like one disguised as a pen in your pocket or something.
monocasa an hour ago
boringg an hour ago
someonebaggy an hour ago
thadt 3 hours ago
True - many places where photography and video recording by people and organizations is already done on a broad scale with both smartphones and infrastructure cameras.
> "We do not want a society where people worry about being recorded without their knowledge, photographed, or filmed in places and situations where they are accustomed to not being monitored"
... I think we're gonna need a bigger ban
iamnothere 3 hours ago
Just because you’re in public doesn’t mean it’s ok to take secret upskirt photos, film in the gym showers, etc. There actually is a certain level of privacy expected in public.
Edit: corrected SE Asia to East Asia.
Ajedi32 2 hours ago
intrasight 2 hours ago
Ajedi32 2 hours ago
iamnothere 2 hours ago
Someone wearing weird 3D printed camera glasses is going to be obvious. Someone with the skill to disassemble a tiny glued together smart glass frame, bypass any hardware protections, and flash a custom OS will be rare, and they’ll get caught anyway when they “accidentally” wander into the women’s locker for the third time.
Ajedi32 an hour ago
So yeah, I guess as long as you're okay with a law like that potentially becoming very easy to bypass then I don't have a problem with it. But I think once things start going down that path, most people aren't going to be satisfied with leaving it at that; they'll hear about a bypass and start pushing to restrict the freedoms that enabled it.
someonebaggy an hour ago
Ajedi32 an hour ago
iamnothere 2 hours ago
The point is to ban widespread normalization of tools that make invasion of privacy easy. You can go find a shirt button spy cam on Aliexpress, but if you get caught wearing it then everyone knows what you’re up to. Wearing one in certain places could be taken as criminal intent.
(I don’t think restrictions like this would work in the US without an amendment, but I think we’re long overdue for a privacy amendment to clarify some things.)
someonebaggy an hour ago
illusive4080 28 minutes ago
illusive4080 30 minutes ago
There are two sides to privacy laws, and the downside is not often discussed.
sleepyguy 2 hours ago
iamnothere 2 hours ago
sleepyguy 2 hours ago
lesspassiveobse an hour ago
recursive an hour ago
esperent 2 hours ago
I live in "SE Asia" - specifically Vietnam - and I've never heard of such a law. I just looked it up and the two countries that come up are Korea and Japan, neither of which are in SE Asia.
iamnothere 2 hours ago
InvertedRhodium 2 hours ago
Personally, I gave up years ago. People don't care about actual privacy, they just care about the illusion of it.
thangalin 2 hours ago
Hamuko 2 hours ago
ryanisnan 2 hours ago
Laws will seldom work 100% of the time, but I profoundly disagree with your implied attitude. "They don't cover this future case, so we shouldn't do anything now".