Show HN: An e-ink frame that hears birds and draws them as 1800s illustrations (github.com)
jadbox 13 hours ago
pelican0 11 hours ago
Off-topic, but what is up with the increased use of the phrase "in a minute", presumably to mean "in a long time", lately?
I've only started encountering it in the past year.
Did it get popularized by some celebrity, tv show, influencers, etc?
seanwessmith 11 hours ago
https://trends.google.com/explore?q=I%27ve%20seen%20in%20a%2...
bezmi 10 hours ago
scheme271 10 hours ago
mrbombastic 8 hours ago
palad1n 9 hours ago
devindotcom 9 hours ago
Carrok 9 hours ago
They took a well-defined unit of time, which is relatively short, and made it mean “some unknown but very long period of time”.
So frustrating. /oldmanyellsatcloud
hmartin 4 hours ago
fock 2 hours ago
sydd an hour ago
puzzlingcaptcha 25 minutes ago
divbzero 16 hours ago
tuvix 15 hours ago
It always seems kind of silly to me to throw everything at an LLM. I know they’re huge and can automatically handle a huge number of tasks but something in me finds it wasteful when we could be creating easily trainable, cheap to run bespoke models for a lot of stuff
benob 14 hours ago
bix6 13 hours ago
lambda 12 hours ago
From my testing of open weights LLMs with audio support, they basically are only trained to recognize audio as an alternative to text input, they treat audio as basically equivalent to a transcript, and can't recognize or distinguish things like music, accents, background sounds, etc.
So they're only really good for transcribing or summarizing or using audio input in place of text input for prompts, but not anything that requires distinguishing any information about the audio that would not be present in a transcript.
It can be tempting to try to use an LLM for a variety of tasks; kind of the whole thing about an LLM is that you don't have to do a separate complex training run for every task, but can just provide instructions in natural language. But it only works as far as what the training data covers, if the training basically always treated audio and a text transcript as equivalent, the model has nothing causing it to learn other relevant features of the audio. If there's enough bird call identification in the training data of an LLM, it might be able to do that, but I think multimodal training data tends to be much more limited than the text training corpus
sbrother 5 hours ago
My current approach, not yet validated, is trying to generate training data from masterclass recordings on Youtube, and then fine tuning MOSS-audio on a bunch of those. But I'm interested if there are better models, or large training sets I don't know about.
ada1981 11 hours ago
lacunary 5 hours ago
rexxars 10 hours ago
mariusandra an hour ago
When I first heard of it (through a community member in discord), I wanted to see if I could replicate it on FrameOS (my software for running anything on an e-ink panel), and sure enough, I got quite close: https://scenes.frameos.net/s/bird-field-journal
This is obviously nowhere as complicated as OP's project, but I thought I'd just share that your project inspired me to build something similar too.
joshstrange 18 hours ago
I just got and setup a BTLE e-ink driver the other day and according to my calculations it will last _years_ on a single charge (2000mAh) even with multiple refreshes per day (crazy compared to the Wifi ones). Year+ lifetime completely changes the calculus for where to put these IMHO.
I'm considering designing a multiple-screen "art" piece to hang on my wall and playing around with various ideas (on both content and design).
LLMs + 3D Printer + e-ink is my new favorite hobby.
buffet_overflow 18 hours ago
joshstrange 17 hours ago
Screen: 7.5" Monochrome eInk / ePaper Display with 800x480 Pixels (https://www.seeedstudio.com/7-5-Monochrome-ePaper-Display-wi...)
BTLE board: XIAO ePaper Display Board(nRF52840) - EN05 (https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-ePaper-Display-Board-nRF528...)
Battery: 3.7V 2000mAh - (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FR9GH966)
Picture of it all assembled (no case yet): https://cs.joshstrange.com/zJFvGGPB
The image rendered to the screen is coming from a little service I wrote that renders a book quote it pulls from BookOrbit which syncs with KOReader (annotations, progress, etc). My plan is to set up one of these one each bookshelf/series rotating quotes I highlighted from the series.
Here are 2 ESP32-based screens I have, the one on the left is a an all-in-one [1] and the one on the right I printed the case from the TRMNL DIY kit from SeeedStudio [2]: https://cs.joshstrange.com/knk4Ns2h
Right now only the BTLE one is running OpenDisplay (the other two are semi-managed by HomeAssistant ESPHome) and all the devices are in HA for controlling them, though the ESP32's all deep-sleep for saving battery so I can can't "push" stuff to them like I can the BTLE one.
[0] https://opendisplay.org/index.html#battery
[1] https://www.seeedstudio.com/reTerminal-E1001-p-6534.html
[2] https://www.seeedstudio.com/TRMNL-7-5-Inch-OG-DIY-Kit-p-6481...
realcul 15 hours ago
joshstrange 15 hours ago
The BTLE boards have just crazy higher battery time with no need for deep sleep which is why I'm moving in that direction.
~7.5" is the size I've been buying so far, the larger e-ink screens get pricey but I can't wait for a calendar-sized one to come down in price such that I can frame it and hang it on the wall. Lastly I'd avoid the color e-ink screens unless you know you need color, won't need to refresh it often, and it's not in your eye line. Color refreshes take way longer (~30s in my experience for a 5-6 color screen) and the flashing it has to do is obnoxious. Monocolor displays take <2s normally and a single flash. I got a color screen first because "why not?" and I got color, but the refresh was too annoying so now it refreshes once a day in a place that I'm not when it refreshes so I don't have to see it.
I also recommend you check out OpenDisplay for what you will run on the device: https://opendisplay.org/index.html
[0] https://www.seeedstudio.com/reTerminal-E1001-p-6534.html
tranceylc 17 hours ago
joshstrange 17 hours ago
mikepurvis 13 hours ago
joshstrange 13 hours ago
So reiterate, with a 2000mAh lipo battery I should be able to drive the board _and_ the screen for over 3 years if I only refresh it at most once every 4 hours (with "push" capabilities, I don't have to deep-sleep the board to get that battery life). At least, that's what the calculator says, I _just_ got my hardware to play with and so I can't speak from experience. Unfortunately my board is not charging the battery so I need to get a replacement which will probably take a week or two to get here.
mikepurvis 8 hours ago
And then you're stuck with a device that can only be communicated with when it chooses to wake up, whereas with BLE it seems you can listen for a remote OTA wake much more cheaply.
shaklee3 4 hours ago
theturtletalks 17 hours ago
It seems IP over Avian Carriers is finally within reach!
bithammerthunde 16 hours ago
radiorental 16 hours ago
shellfishgene 16 hours ago
drum998 28 minutes ago
redbell 3 hours ago
The only thing I wish to be added is a short video showing the actual frame in action to express motion and sound so I can better feel it. While the provided image (hero.jpg) gives me a sense of the product, I just can't smell it yet. I visited https://fugleramme.arnegiacomo.dev/ hoping for a live feed but it seems just a static image.
Kudos for the author and I hope we can see the next iteration!
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1. I made an open-source laptop from scratch (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42797260)
2. I replaced a $120k bowling center system with $1,600 in ESP32s (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48968606)
3. A retro video game console I've been working on in my free time (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19393279)
thomasfl 16 hours ago
catapart 12 hours ago
bilsbie 12 hours ago
Then have the screen look like a biologists notebook where he sketches the bird and writes a few notes about the time and its behavior.
MiloLeo 18 hours ago
jonplackett 17 hours ago
tencentshill 17 hours ago
InexSquirrel 8 hours ago
jiwidi 20 hours ago
https://github.com/Twarner491/AvianVisitors
https://theodore.net/projects/AvianVisitors/
Or maybe im missing to see is the same author? It went viral a few months ago
tencentshill 20 hours ago
jiwidi 20 hours ago
KaiserPro 20 hours ago
arnemunthekaas 20 hours ago
I've seen other similar projects pop up like https://github.com/veteranbv/inky-bird-frame and https://github.com/adamoberley/HABirdDashboard/tree/HABirdDa..., each with their own spin.
jiwidi 19 hours ago
I still think it would be good to acknowledge the original project that sparked the idea, especially now that you've mentioned it was one of the inspirations.
Definitely keep going with yours and evolve it further. That's how good projects grow. But for a healthy open source community, I think we should make a point of crediting the people whose work inspires us. Otherwise, over time, it can discourage people from sharing their projects publicly in the first place.
arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago
hnbad 18 hours ago
I'll leave it up to you to decide whether one should expect the demographic of this website to be especially invested in the Great Man narrative but trying to convince them that two people can independently have similar-sounding ideas involving similar-but-different technology is probably an uphill battle. Just be glad you're not composing music for a living because there's literally an entire industry built around the idea that it's impossible for two people to come up with similar melodies without knowingly or unknowingly copying eachother and that it's very important that one of them (or rather the company they had to sign a deal with in order to make any money off their music at all) 100% owns that exact melody and should be paid by anyone who wants to use it.
Next time you have an idea you should just file a patent tbh - the insistence on prior art invalidating the work seems to be quite similar but at least if you're granted a patent you can shake down "copycats" for money.
dotancohen 13 hours ago
> Contrary to the Great Man version of how we mostly talk about history, scientific discoveries, technological breakthroughs and such have historically often occurred multiple times in multiple places often in close proximity time-wise but otherwise completely unrelated to each other.
My favourite example of this is calculus, followed closely by heavier-than-air flight.cyphar 4 hours ago
A full rundown would be too long but [1] is a pretty good video going through the history of flight and how most of the other candidates for "first flyers" people bring up don't count and how it's difficult to argue that any of their contemporaries were even close to the Wrights.
arnemunthekaas 18 hours ago
carb 20 hours ago
jiwidi 20 hours ago
I understand OP is continuing the work and improving it as he sees fit, but that in my mind is a fork and should aknowledge the initial work that sparked it.
Maybe i'm wrong tho and this is completely parallel work! Waiting for OPs reply
arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago
delichon 19 hours ago
martin- 18 hours ago
wccrawford 20 hours ago
And just because 2 things do the same job doesn't make one a "copy" of the other.
jiwidi 19 hours ago
They are awful close to still require a reference to the original project imo. They are achieving the same output (identify birds and display them in a frame display all hosted in a raspberry pi) with that twist to how to generate the art.
arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago
p1anecrazy 16 hours ago
jdiff 19 hours ago
arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago
coinfused 15 hours ago
stetrain 19 hours ago
xgulfie 13 hours ago
DavCreator 19 hours ago
bradly 19 hours ago
dang 13 hours ago
Avian Visitors - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48343424 - May 2026 (20 comments)
I've put a link to the earlier project in the toptext above.
simonjgreen 12 hours ago
Applying heterodyne transformations to the bat recordings makes them audible which is fascinating, especially when you catch them in a feeding frenzy.
Similar intent with an indoor display, although nowhere near as beautiful as OPs eink display here. I'm more aiming for a real-time ticker, but this design is wonderful. I'm quite inspired by it!
I've been working on this in the background for a few months, if anyone is interested repo with screenshots is here: https://github.com/simonjgreen/OpenObservatory
swaraj 11 hours ago
I love HN
eointierney 10 hours ago
blacklion 10 hours ago
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mandycult 17 hours ago
learner_yearner an hour ago
poutrathor 19 hours ago
lateatdesk 12 hours ago
kris-memoket an hour ago
fnands 20 hours ago
I wish E-ink displays were a bit more affordable. The 13 inch one is £229.50. Does anyone know why they are still so expensive, at least at large sizes?
eckelhesten 19 hours ago
pjerem 19 hours ago
The latest are pretty complex devices, very slow to refresh (hence why they are not used in your e-reader) and also very expensive. But the rendering is way much nicer because it’s real ink that is used to render the colors.
blacklion 10 hours ago
Rather opposite: I never seen consumer products with two-layer displays.
whiskers 19 hours ago
Disclaimer: I am the CEO of Pimoroni :-)
fnands 19 hours ago
tencentshill 17 hours ago
koryk 9 hours ago
I am using my 13 inch inky display for my own birdnet - I also posted this in another thread last week https://i.imgur.com/5XbM6bb.png
I also bought 3 more 4 inch ones. Here is the first deployment next to the fish tank - https://i.imgur.com/nj8nKrS.png - I like this because I can stuff an rtl sdr in that box too, so it picks up nearby radio sensors in addition to BT. Real nice project screen!
I usually only refresh the image on the screen every few hours. I love how the image stays even with no power.
shellfishgene 16 hours ago
staub 8 hours ago
Also if you have old e-ink device laying around, you can likely setup BYOD with TRMNL (or just buy one https://trmnl.com/) and send the bird images as a private plugin
throooooo 7 hours ago
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