See also: Avian Visitors - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48343424 - May 2026 (20 comments)

jadbox 13 hours ago

This is the coolest thing on HN that I've seen in a minute. The whole thing is a perfect blend of ideas with the end result of something that feels... magical. Honestly this is the highest inspiration to me as a builder as I just want to create magical experiences, even if they are just small oddities.

pelican0 11 hours ago

> This is the coolest thing on HN that I've seen in a minute.

Off-topic, but what is up with the increased use of the phrase "in a minute", presumably to mean "in a long time", lately?

I've only started encountering it in the past year.

Did it get popularized by some celebrity, tv show, influencers, etc?

seanwessmith 11 hours ago

seems like you know what you're talking about 5k% increase starting in July this year

https://trends.google.com/explore?q=I%27ve%20seen%20in%20a%2...

bezmi 10 hours ago

I think the trend is probably misleading. A popular youtuber may have released a video in August with a title containing "in a minute".

scheme271 10 hours ago

It's been around in slang for a few years with a few variants, e.g. "I haven't seen her in a hot minute." I think it's just filtered into wider cultural vernacular.

mrbombastic 8 hours ago

people have been saying "it's been a minute" to mean a long time since at least the 90s in NY

palad1n 9 hours ago

Scarlett Johansson says, “See you in a minute" in Avengers: Endgame.

devindotcom 9 hours ago

it's been around. I more commonly see it as "been a minute!" when you see someone you haven't seen in a good while.

Carrok 9 hours ago

This phrase has been around for years, I know because it has always infuriated me.

They took a well-defined unit of time, which is relatively short, and made it mean “some unknown but very long period of time”.

So frustrating. /oldmanyellsatcloud

hmartin 4 hours ago

Agree, this was really a beautiful thing to see!

fock 2 hours ago

EDIT: no Ai for pictures - cool!

sydd an hour ago

Really cool, except the price. Around 500 Euro for the full thing... I miss the times you could make amazing things with a Pi under 100 Euro.

puzzlingcaptcha 25 minutes ago

That's the e-ink monopoly for you. Though you could probably use a slightly smaller b&w eink display with a second hand raspberry 4 to shave a lot from that number.

divbzero 16 hours ago

The underlying classifier, BirdNET, is a traditional neural network and not an LLM:

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ecoinf.2021.101236

tuvix 15 hours ago

Are there any LLMs being widely used for audio classification? I know VLMs are being used a lot in image stuff.

It always seems kind of silly to me to throw everything at an LLM. I know they’re huge and can automatically handle a huge number of tasks but something in me finds it wasteful when we could be creating easily trainable, cheap to run bespoke models for a lot of stuff

benob 14 hours ago

https://github.com/earthspecies/NatureLM-audio

bix6 13 hours ago

More info please. Can I add this into birdnet go for more species detection?

lambda 12 hours ago

There are LLMs that support audio input, similar to those with vision support.

From my testing of open weights LLMs with audio support, they basically are only trained to recognize audio as an alternative to text input, they treat audio as basically equivalent to a transcript, and can't recognize or distinguish things like music, accents, background sounds, etc.

So they're only really good for transcribing or summarizing or using audio input in place of text input for prompts, but not anything that requires distinguishing any information about the audio that would not be present in a transcript.

It can be tempting to try to use an LLM for a variety of tasks; kind of the whole thing about an LLM is that you don't have to do a separate complex training run for every task, but can just provide instructions in natural language. But it only works as far as what the training data covers, if the training basically always treated audio and a text transcript as equivalent, the model has nothing causing it to learn other relevant features of the audio. If there's enough bird call identification in the training data of an LLM, it might be able to do that, but I think multimodal training data tends to be much more limited than the text training corpus

sbrother 5 hours ago

Have you had any luck fine tuning one with musical data for classification or music-aware QA? I've been hacking on https://trebel.la/ which I would like to be a music practice companion, and the biggest missing feature is actually useful audio-based feedback pipeline.

My current approach, not yet validated, is trying to generate training data from masterclass recordings on Youtube, and then fine tuning MOSS-audio on a bunch of those. But I'm interested if there are better models, or large training sets I don't know about.

ada1981 11 hours ago

Curious if there is a similar project for dog barks.

lacunary 5 hours ago

I wanted to say that seems like a stretch but then I often find myself visualizing my best guess at the appearance, including species, of an unknown dog. It seems like size of dog and pitch of bark are negatively correlated

rexxars 10 hours ago

Note that while the underlying birdnet-go project started as BirdNET only, it can now use Google Perch v2, BattyBirdNET (for bats!) and other models in the future. It's a really cool project!

mariusandra an hour ago

This is a very cool project!

When I first heard of it (through a community member in discord), I wanted to see if I could replicate it on FrameOS (my software for running anything on an e-ink panel), and sure enough, I got quite close: https://scenes.frameos.net/s/bird-field-journal

This is obviously nowhere as complicated as OP's project, but I thought I'd just share that your project inspired me to build something similar too.

joshstrange 18 hours ago

e-ink is so much fun, especially when combined with ESP32 or BTLE boards. I currently have 4 around my house displaying book quotes that I've highlighted in KOReader and they bring me joy each time I see them. They are simple and do one thing very well.

I just got and setup a BTLE e-ink driver the other day and according to my calculations it will last _years_ on a single charge (2000mAh) even with multiple refreshes per day (crazy compared to the Wifi ones). Year+ lifetime completely changes the calculus for where to put these IMHO.

I'm considering designing a multiple-screen "art" piece to hang on my wall and playing around with various ideas (on both content and design).

LLMs + 3D Printer + e-ink is my new favorite hobby.

buffet_overflow 18 hours ago

Years on a wall mounted eink screen sounds super interesting. What are you using for the power delivery/battery side of that setup?

joshstrange 17 hours ago

Here are the parts I bought, I'm still getting it all setup (I have my pictures displaying, working on designing the 3D printed case now, and testing it all) but according to OpenDisplay's calculator [0] I can expect 3.4 years if I refresh the screen once every 4 hours (and currently I'm doing closer to once a day to mimic my ESP32s which need deep sleep and once-a-day refresh to get even month/months of battery on a charge).

Screen: 7.5" Monochrome eInk / ePaper Display with 800x480 Pixels (https://www.seeedstudio.com/7-5-Monochrome-ePaper-Display-wi...)

BTLE board: XIAO ePaper Display Board(nRF52840) - EN05 (https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-ePaper-Display-Board-nRF528...)

Battery: 3.7V 2000mAh - (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FR9GH966)

Picture of it all assembled (no case yet): https://cs.joshstrange.com/zJFvGGPB

The image rendered to the screen is coming from a little service I wrote that renders a book quote it pulls from BookOrbit which syncs with KOReader (annotations, progress, etc). My plan is to set up one of these one each bookshelf/series rotating quotes I highlighted from the series.

Here are 2 ESP32-based screens I have, the one on the left is a an all-in-one [1] and the one on the right I printed the case from the TRMNL DIY kit from SeeedStudio [2]: https://cs.joshstrange.com/knk4Ns2h

Right now only the BTLE one is running OpenDisplay (the other two are semi-managed by HomeAssistant ESPHome) and all the devices are in HA for controlling them, though the ESP32's all deep-sleep for saving battery so I can can't "push" stuff to them like I can the BTLE one.

[0] https://opendisplay.org/index.html#battery

[1] https://www.seeedstudio.com/reTerminal-E1001-p-6534.html

[2] https://www.seeedstudio.com/TRMNL-7-5-Inch-OG-DIY-Kit-p-6481...

realcul 15 hours ago

If I want a wifi e-ink connected display - curious what would you recommend. I want an e-ink display - that I can use as a sign/display board with wifi connectivity and remote administration.

joshstrange 15 hours ago

If you want a simple e-ink wifi screen I'd point you at the reTerminal e1001 [0] if that size works for you. It's the easiest to get started with. You can either keep it on power or use the deep sleep to get more from the battery. It really comes down to how often you want to update it.

The BTLE boards have just crazy higher battery time with no need for deep sleep which is why I'm moving in that direction.

~7.5" is the size I've been buying so far, the larger e-ink screens get pricey but I can't wait for a calendar-sized one to come down in price such that I can frame it and hang it on the wall. Lastly I'd avoid the color e-ink screens unless you know you need color, won't need to refresh it often, and it's not in your eye line. Color refreshes take way longer (~30s in my experience for a 5-6 color screen) and the flashing it has to do is obnoxious. Monocolor displays take <2s normally and a single flash. I got a color screen first because "why not?" and I got color, but the refresh was too annoying so now it refreshes once a day in a place that I'm not when it refreshes so I don't have to see it.

I also recommend you check out OpenDisplay for what you will run on the device: https://opendisplay.org/index.html

[0] https://www.seeedstudio.com/reTerminal-E1001-p-6534.html

tranceylc 17 hours ago

When it does run out, are you able to replace the battery? Or is it something way more painful than that?

joshstrange 17 hours ago

It's a rechargeable battery, I just plug the board in (USB-C) and it charges the battery.

mikepurvis 13 hours ago

Thanks for speaking to the battery question; I'm very interested in how to run this kind of thing (the display portion at least) cordlessly too, especially when lipo pouches in that range are so dirt cheap.

joshstrange 13 hours ago

I might be misunderstanding your comment but the display is run/powered by the board so all you need to do is provide power to the board. For e-ink it uses no power to "hold" an image, only to write/refresh (sorry if I'm telling you something you already know!).

So reiterate, with a 2000mAh lipo battery I should be able to drive the board _and_ the screen for over 3 years if I only refresh it at most once every 4 hours (with "push" capabilities, I don't have to deep-sleep the board to get that battery life). At least, that's what the calculator says, I _just_ got my hardware to play with and so I can't speak from experience. Unfortunately my board is not charging the battery so I need to get a replacement which will probably take a week or two to get here.

mikepurvis 8 hours ago

Yeah no we're aligned; I have some raspis that I'm interested in doing long term battery stuff with (remote sensing and the like) and it definitely does seem like connectivity is the huge battery killer, like even if you wake up only periodically to take a reading or update an epaper display, the cost in battery just to negotiate a wifi connection and do tcpip and http things is awful.

And then you're stuck with a device that can only be communicated with when it chooses to wake up, whereas with BLE it seems you can listen for a remote OTA wake much more cheaply.

shaklee3 4 hours ago

It only can last a couple weeks, so isn't really practical. Search for other e-ink calendar projects using the rpi zero

theturtletalks 17 hours ago

So many bird projects recently and I think it’s all thanks to this project[0]

It seems IP over Avian Carriers is finally within reach!

0. https://github.com/tphakala/birdnet-go

bithammerthunde 16 hours ago

Link missing?

radiorental 16 hours ago

Complete guess but I wonder if it's the Merlin project?

https://www.birds.cornell.edu/home/merlin/

shellfishgene 16 hours ago

Probably BirdNet, but Google also has an equivalent model now called Perch. https://birdnet.cornell.edu/

drum998 28 minutes ago

Awesome! I'm in the middle of setting up a birdnet system for audio recognition, and this is the puzzle piece my project needs!

redbell 3 hours ago

That's indeed a cool project and it's this kind of stuff that makes HN a unique corner in this digital world. I can classify this project with [1](Ranked #3 as the most upvoted Show HN of all time), [2](#4) and [3](#6) as non pure-software products that happen to also integrates hardware as well.

The only thing I wish to be added is a short video showing the actual frame in action to express motion and sound so I can better feel it. While the provided image (hero.jpg) gives me a sense of the product, I just can't smell it yet. I visited https://fugleramme.arnegiacomo.dev/ hoping for a live feed but it seems just a static image.

Kudos for the author and I hope we can see the next iteration!

_______________

1. I made an open-source laptop from scratch (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42797260)

2. I replaced a $120k bowling center system with $1,600 in ESP32s (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48968606)

3. A retro video game console I've been working on in my free time (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19393279)

thomasfl 16 hours ago

As a fellow Norwegian I must say that this is pure art by the developer Arne Munthe-Kaas.

catapart 12 hours ago

Awesome! It's really cool that it uses public domain images as the inspiration, too. And even cooler that you link to the places where you got those public domain images.

bilsbie 12 hours ago

This could totally be a commercial product. I picture it being sold with a bird feeder. Maybe it uses a camera on the feeder.

Then have the screen look like a biologists notebook where he sketches the bird and writes a few notes about the time and its behavior.

MiloLeo 18 hours ago

This is such a cool project. My mom would absolutely love this if I made it as a gift. This may be a good project.

jonplackett 17 hours ago

I was thinking the exact same thing!

tencentshill 17 hours ago

Another dev offers it as a full product. OOS at the moment though.

https://theodore.net/store/avian-visitors/

InexSquirrel 8 hours ago

Was thinking this too. My parents are both avid birders, and I think it would make a fun addition to the house.

jiwidi 20 hours ago

Isnt this a fork* of https://x.com/WarnerTeddy/status/2060018688645115964?

https://github.com/Twarner491/AvianVisitors

https://theodore.net/projects/AvianVisitors/

Or maybe im missing to see is the same author? It went viral a few months ago

tencentshill 20 hours ago

This one seems to be more North European focused

jiwidi 20 hours ago

Its awful close with no attribution or mention of the original project, which should be the minimum i feel like.

KaiserPro 20 hours ago

true, but we are assuming that the author is aware of the other repo

arnemunthekaas 20 hours ago

Original author here. Fair point, this project was one of my inspirations, but I chose to take a different approach. This uses public domain natural history art and builds on top of BirdNET-Go which is a popular way of self-hosting bird-detections. (This is really a BirdNET-Go companion, as it cannot run without).

I've seen other similar projects pop up like https://github.com/veteranbv/inky-bird-frame and https://github.com/adamoberley/HABirdDashboard/tree/HABirdDa..., each with their own spin.

jiwidi 19 hours ago

That's fair, and I totally get wanting to give it your own spin.

I still think it would be good to acknowledge the original project that sparked the idea, especially now that you've mentioned it was one of the inspirations.

Definitely keep going with yours and evolve it further. That's how good projects grow. But for a healthy open source community, I think we should make a point of crediting the people whose work inspires us. Otherwise, over time, it can discourage people from sharing their projects publicly in the first place.

arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago

Thanks, I’ll do that, and ofc link to this beautiful poster I have that actually originally sparked the idea: https://www.axelthorenfeldt.com/news/wwf-verdens-naturfonds-...

hnbad 18 hours ago

Contrary to the Great Man version of how we mostly talk about history, scientific discoveries, technological breakthroughs and such have historically often occurred multiple times in multiple places often in close proximity time-wise but otherwise completely unrelated to each other. This of course makes sense if you consider that history seems to be primarily driven by material conditions (e.g. steam engines were known to Ancient Greece but their usefulness for industry simply hadn't occurred to them because they lacked the prerequisites to make them useful and neither economic efficiency nor access to cheap labor were significant enough concerns - plus there was no patent system of course).

I'll leave it up to you to decide whether one should expect the demographic of this website to be especially invested in the Great Man narrative but trying to convince them that two people can independently have similar-sounding ideas involving similar-but-different technology is probably an uphill battle. Just be glad you're not composing music for a living because there's literally an entire industry built around the idea that it's impossible for two people to come up with similar melodies without knowingly or unknowingly copying eachother and that it's very important that one of them (or rather the company they had to sign a deal with in order to make any money off their music at all) 100% owns that exact melody and should be paid by anyone who wants to use it.

Next time you have an idea you should just file a patent tbh - the insistence on prior art invalidating the work seems to be quite similar but at least if you're granted a patent you can shake down "copycats" for money.

dotancohen 13 hours ago

  > Contrary to the Great Man version of how we mostly talk about history, scientific discoveries, technological breakthroughs and such have historically often occurred multiple times in multiple places often in close proximity time-wise but otherwise completely unrelated to each other.
My favourite example of this is calculus, followed closely by heavier-than-air flight.

cyphar 4 hours ago

I think there is ample evidence that the Wright brothers were (unlike many other inventors) uniquely suited to solving the problem of heavier-than-air flight, as they solved several open problems that nobody was making progress on (the main ones being control authority, propeller designs, the scientific basis for wing designs, and the ability to test designs and practice without dying) -- they even discovered and solved previously-unknown problems (such as adverse yaw, something their contemporaries should've independently discovered if they were on the right track).

A full rundown would be too long but [1] is a pretty good video going through the history of flight and how most of the other candidates for "first flyers" people bring up don't count and how it's difficult to argue that any of their contemporaries were even close to the Wrights.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkpQAGQiv4Q

arnemunthekaas 18 hours ago

Added, see README. Thanks for the feedback!

carb 20 hours ago

I agree I would expect a reference. Another difference between this an AvianVisitors is the image sources. AvianVisitors is all AI generated with a consistent prompt, but OP's is using chiefly public domain images with retouching by AI as needed.

jiwidi 20 hours ago

Yeah agree

I understand OP is continuing the work and improving it as he sees fit, but that in my mind is a fork and should aknowledge the initial work that sparked it.

Maybe i'm wrong tho and this is completely parallel work! Waiting for OPs reply

arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago

Hi, yeah I'm not basing any of my coding or feature-work on that project. My biggest source of inspiration is actually just a paper poster I have hanging on my wall https://www.axelthorenfeldt.com/news/wwf-verdens-naturfonds-.... I wanted to make a version of that, showing the actual birds in my garden.

delichon 19 hours ago

I accuse you of having good taste.

martin- 18 hours ago

A fork implies that it builds upon code from another repository. I wouldn't use the word fork to mean "inspired by". I think it takes away from the effort that the author has put in. Anyone can create a fork of a project with the click of a button.

wccrawford 20 hours ago

The new one appears to use real art from real humans, instead of AI art that was fixed.

And just because 2 things do the same job doesn't make one a "copy" of the other.

jiwidi 19 hours ago

My mistake for calling it "copy", should have said fork maybe (?)

They are awful close to still require a reference to the original project imo. They are achieving the same output (identify birds and display them in a frame display all hosted in a raspberry pi) with that twist to how to generate the art.

arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago

Author here: I'll take any feedback and critisism. I haven't based any of my work directly on his project, but will be referencing it as a similar one in the readme, as well as e.g. https://github.com/veteranbv/inky-bird-frame.

p1anecrazy 16 hours ago

Please take my praise as well then :) what a wholesome project!

jdiff 19 hours ago

What is "the new one"? The old one used AI, and this one seems to as well.

arnemunthekaas 19 hours ago

Author here: It doesn't, well at least not art-wise. All sources are attributed in https://github.com/arnegiacomo/fugleramme/blob/main/assets/a... and https://github.com/arnegiacomo/fugleramme/blob/main/assets/a...

coinfused 15 hours ago

This is much appreciated! Thanks for making this decision

stetrain 19 hours ago

From the link: "Half the point of this project is showing off some amazing public-domain natural-history illustrations. Over 800 cut-outs covering more than 400 species, every one taken from a real plate and hand-curated for this project (no art is AI-generated, though some has been retouched with AI)."

xgulfie 13 hours ago

Idk what "retouched with AI" means. Does it mean they used a segmentation model to cut out the shapes, or were they shoved through an imagegen and completely recreated?

bradly 19 hours ago

Fwiw an eink display is fairly common tech in the birdiverse. I also have a project that is the same thing.

dang 13 hours ago

Thanks! That one was discussed a few months ago:

Avian Visitors - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48343424 - May 2026 (20 comments)

I've put a link to the earlier project in the toptext above.

simonjgreen 12 hours ago

I've been leveraging Birdnet-2.4 as well, but also ultrasonic-pass and activity-v1 to do broader detection with an ecological targeted microphone. This means I can capture not just bird sounds but also bats and some insects, and acoustic events such as jets and cars.

Applying heterodyne transformations to the bat recordings makes them audible which is fascinating, especially when you catch them in a feeding frenzy.

Similar intent with an indoor display, although nowhere near as beautiful as OPs eink display here. I'm more aiming for a real-time ticker, but this design is wonderful. I'm quite inspired by it!

I've been working on this in the background for a few months, if anyone is interested repo with screenshots is here: https://github.com/simonjgreen/OpenObservatory

swaraj 11 hours ago

>I've been leveraging Birdnet-2.4 as well,

I love HN

eointierney 10 hours ago

Yep, when it's humans nerding it's awesome

blacklion 10 hours ago

Do you use AudioMoth embedded mic?

simonjgreen 4 hours ago

That’s the one, in their outdoor casing

mandycult 17 hours ago

This is the sweetest thing I've seen in a long time :')

learner_yearner an hour ago

Wow! Every human mind is wonderful in its own way. It can come up with ideas that other minds can't even comprehend.

poutrathor 19 hours ago

My granny is almost deaf and I will test the idea for her, for she loves birds

lateatdesk 12 hours ago

If you try it with her, I'd love to hear what she makes of it.

kris-memoket an hour ago

Really interesting!! Awesome work

fnands 20 hours ago

Very cool!

I wish E-ink displays were a bit more affordable. The 13 inch one is £229.50. Does anyone know why they are still so expensive, at least at large sizes?

eckelhesten 19 hours ago

Patents and greed in a combination.

pjerem 19 hours ago

You have to distinguish the fake color e-ink that are used in mass consumer products which are actually black&white e-ink plus an LCD layer and are expensive, and the real color e-ink where each micro capsule embeds 3 to 5 different inks of different colors.

The latest are pretty complex devices, very slow to refresh (hence why they are not used in your e-reader) and also very expensive. But the rendering is way much nicer because it’s real ink that is used to render the colors.

blacklion 10 hours ago

They are used in book readers. Amazon Kindle Colorsoft, for example. Or I have android phone with such screen (though, not latest generation).

Rather opposite: I never seen consumer products with two-layer displays.

whiskers 19 hours ago

This project will work with a 7.3" display just as well - they are £79.50! https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/inky-impression?variant=5...

Disclaimer: I am the CEO of Pimoroni :-)

fnands 19 hours ago

Yeah, the 4 and 7.3" prices are not bad, the jump to 13 is just large. That being said, the cost per area goes down, so it is also probably fair.

tencentshill 17 hours ago

For a product that is made for creators and DIY, AI generated imagery on the product photos doesn't feel right.

koryk 9 hours ago

I love the inky impression!

I am using my 13 inch inky display for my own birdnet - I also posted this in another thread last week https://i.imgur.com/5XbM6bb.png

I also bought 3 more 4 inch ones. Here is the first deployment next to the fish tank - https://i.imgur.com/nj8nKrS.png - I like this because I can stuff an rtl sdr in that box too, so it picks up nearby radio sensors in addition to BT. Real nice project screen!

I usually only refresh the image on the screen every few hours. I love how the image stays even with no power.

shellfishgene 16 hours ago

You can sometimes find old Nooks for cheap and they can be rooted to display static images, but it's not elegant.

staub 8 hours ago

Any easy way to get started on your own version of this without needing a mic would be to pull birds seen nearby using the eBird API and pairing scientific names. Won't be as accurate as a backyard mic, but will give you a direction to start.

Also if you have old e-ink device laying around, you can likely setup BYOD with TRMNL (or just buy one https://trmnl.com/) and send the bird images as a private plugin

throooooo 7 hours ago

The e-ink screens linked by OP are much more interesting from a color reproduction standpoint. TRMNL devices are either grayscale or 2 colors.

darvo31 19 hours ago

Love the aesthetic of 1800s illustrations combined with modern tech. Wonder if it ever misidentifies a squirrel.

eichin 16 hours ago

I haven't tried with BirdNet, but Merlin doesn't seem to ever false-positive on chipmunks or squirrels (there's been a suggestion that it should explicitly recognize them, and maybe some frogs too, since they're "loud thing in the same register" and it frustrates people that haven't figured it out yet...)

brenainn 3 hours ago

I would love to build one as a gift but would need to get it working for Australian birds.

apexalpha 3 hours ago

Just release some imported European birds. What could go wrong?

zero0529 13 hours ago

I was thinking about building this for a while and now i don't have too, insane. Thanks!

firmretention 20 hours ago

This is such a cool idea and I want to build one. I wish I had this kind of creativity. I can do the hardware/software side, but great ideas elude me.

away0g 19 hours ago

are you setting yourself up to record ideas as they happen?

TomJansen 12 hours ago

This project is super cool! But the price of the e-ink board is quite steep

reedlaw 19 hours ago

Frigate, the IP camera security system, also does bird classification: https://docs.frigate.video/configuration/bird_classification...

originalvichy 17 hours ago

Thanks for sharing. Didn’t know about this project. Have you used it yourself? I’ve only experimented with Scrypted for fun, but Frigate sounds like I could operate birdsong analysis without a separate BirdNET container.