Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded (twitter.com)
ksec 13 hours ago
But perhaps the most important thing, Xiaomi is now able to make chip similar to Mediatek. They are the third largest Smartphone manufacturer by shipment volume. And they are still growing.
This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm.
pelagicAustral 13 hours ago
And good news for everyone else.
yoz-y 13 hours ago
cromka 13 hours ago
cubefox 12 hours ago
TSiege 12 hours ago
1234letshaveatw 12 hours ago
oblio 11 hours ago
Is this better outcome for the US in the room with us?
nxm 11 hours ago
makingstuffs 11 hours ago
saturn8601 10 hours ago
All three will be going away sooner or later.
AngryData 8 hours ago
Yeah sure they won't be producing any F35s or million dollar per shot missiles, but was that a good idea to start with? Are they worth the money when once again lots of inexpensive arms are shown to be more useful in modern wars than a few handfuls of expensive ones? Both Iran and Ukraine have shown that one side being a few steps ahead in military technology and willing to dump money on equipment still has limited returns. There is no "I win" technology apart from indiscriminately killing most of the entire population, which just makes you an existential enemy to the rest of the planet and erases 95% of the value in taking that territory.
saturn8601 7 hours ago
Regardless of the tech stack the work still needs to be done and now the EU has to do it. The Eu does not have infinite money, in fact they have less than the US so there will be cuts elsewhere.
anon48293 8 hours ago
saturn8601 7 hours ago
oblio 8 hours ago
Before outsourcing manufacturing to China Europe was making a third of all industrial things on this planet, so Europe will be just fine.
> the work required for GDP growth to refugees
I don't get this one. Do you think the European economy is propped up by refugees? I think there are 5 million of them in total in Europe, most of them Ukrainians and it's likely Ukraine will become a EU member at some point in the future...
saturn8601 7 hours ago
And they will continue to do so. Just at a higher cost with no US to maintain bases and do technology cost sharing. That extra money has to come out from somewhere...it will be entitlements. Combine that with terrible demographics and that remaining manufacturing base will be built on a bed of sand. :)
>Before outsourcing manufacturing to China Europe was making a third of all industrial things on this planet, so Europe will be just fine.
Europe can insource everything that China makes. They are not stupid people. You mistake the benefit westerners got from outsourcing. It held back inflation in products because the value came from the living standards difference between chinese and EU people. Remove that disparity by bringing back everything and EU will be living with a lower quality of life because all those products will be significantly more expensive with no alternatives.
>I don't get this one. Do you think the European economy is propped up by refugees? I think there are 5 million of them in total in Europe, most of them Ukrainians and it's likely Ukraine will become a EU member at some point in the future...
Same point I have been making. The consequences of demographic collapse can be hidden away by having young tax paying peoples do the shit jobs that run the economy at low wages. Same thing the US does with illegal migrants. Remove that and the hidden costs are now dumped onto the population. Result: Lower living standards for those who remain.
Dah00n 11 hours ago
holoduke 10 hours ago
Sohcahtoa82 10 hours ago
Sure, GDP in the USA is growing faster than the EU, but the question is who is benefiting from the increased GDP?
The answer is in Dah00n's comment. The rich are getting richer, while the population gets scraps. Meanwhile, people in the EU get guaranteed healthcare, paid time off, maternity leave, better worker's rights, etc.
well_ackshually 10 hours ago
preg_match 9 hours ago
wolvoleo 6 hours ago
The EU is not perfect and recently they took a turn for the worse with shit like ChatControl and the ppwr killing small businesses.
But economically it's not a problem. It's not a race to be the richest, though America always makes everything a contest. We just need enough to live comfortably.
kroaton 9 hours ago
pydry 9 hours ago
The tendency to protect corporate profit margins is the western Achilles heel and China knew they could exploit that.
plutomeetsyou 12 hours ago
kridsdale1 12 hours ago
adwn 12 hours ago
PowerElectronix 11 hours ago
China could have the monopoly of rare earth production and refinery for all of eternity. But because of their reaction towards all the us allies when the us increased tariffs, I don't expect them to be relevant enough to disrupt markets with rare earths sanctions in 10-20 years.
kstenerud 11 hours ago
... Except when they can't in any meaningful span of time.
melasadra 11 hours ago
- China weaponizing the world's dependence on rare earth
- The US weaponizing the world's dependence on SWIFT
- Russia weaponizing Europe's dependence on natural gas
- Iran weaponizing the the world's dependence of oil supply through strait of Hormuz
smallstepforman an hour ago
yoz-y 11 hours ago
saturn8601 10 hours ago
Yiin 10 hours ago
saturn8601 7 hours ago
don_esteban 10 hours ago
saturn8601 7 hours ago
don_esteban 6 hours ago
You don't have to replace 100% of workforce, replace just the ones whose work is the easiest to do by a robot.
Replacing 50% of workforce buys you enough time that by the time your available worker pool has shrunk 50%, robotics and AI will be much better and you will be able to replace another big chunk.
Production-wise, shrinking demographics are not such a big deal (they still have a lot of youth unemployment).
Shrinking demographics is a problem due to a) the ratio of workers vs seniors, b) shrinking overall demand pool -> shrinking economy c) smaller overall talent pool -> less diversity, less 'geniuses', i.e. the real drivers of innovation, and less capability to mobilize for great projects
goodluckchuck 10 hours ago
geysersam 9 hours ago
xphos 7 hours ago
deadlast2 12 hours ago
saturn8601 10 hours ago
RobotToaster 10 hours ago
wolvoleo 6 hours ago
Now Japan is known for quality electronics and options and Taiwan for state of the art semiconductors.
Grombobulous 12 hours ago
When we buy software from Silicon Valley or a nice Mercedes Benz from Germany we don’t use this same language “outsourcing.”
Colloquially, outsourcing implies low quality or cheap price. No, what’s happening here is that China makes the best products in numerous categories and we are choosing to import them, because the best products are the most desirable.
throwaway63467 12 hours ago
That said some of these industry especially metallurgical ones will never return to Europe or US as they basically destroy and pollute the environment on a large scale, in China that still seems acceptable but also might change promoting them to outsource to other countries which they already do in some areas I think.
coliveira 10 hours ago
China has made a tremendous effort to move to a clean(er) industrial system, using a lot of renewables and clean energy and improving environmental standards. At this point production in China is probably the best for the environment compared to most countries, including the US that is deeply invested in oil production.
Danox 9 hours ago
They are also moving close to a point where they will bring Thorium Reactors on line they don’t have to. They could just stick with uranium, but they’re not.
Is this part of the fact that they have engineers running a lot of of the things at the top of their government instead of lawyers?
They seem to be building a lot of infrastructure they are in the process of building several dams on the Brahmaputra River.
UltraSane 9 hours ago
UltraSane 9 hours ago
China: 525 gCO2/kWh
AngryData 8 hours ago
Grombobulous 7 hours ago
And like you said, China is putting a real effort in. I don't see the US trying to reduce domestic short hop flights with electric high speed rail. I don't see the US trying to replace gasoline cars with EVs. I don't see the US curtailing structural incentivization of pickup trucks and SUVs.
The main US policy seems to be "spend trillions on wars for oil" rather than accepting the inevitable decline of oil and planning around it.
geysersam 9 hours ago
Imagine what those kinds of people would have said in China in the 70s, with western industries being vastly more advanced and efficient. "It's over, we will never catch up." they would probably have said. Wrong then, more wrong now.
rayoleary 3 hours ago
geysersam 3 hours ago
smallmancontrov 11 hours ago
It will be interesting to see what China does. They aren't ideologically committed to exclusively serving the interests of the wealthy, but they still have lots of rich people in the (ahem) Communist Party, so who knows.
peezd 11 hours ago
faitswulff 10 hours ago
Levitz 7 hours ago
In the west, billionaires are often able to get extremely favorable treatment by the law as an expression of the power money gives. This is not the case in China, in which the party stands at the top.
In practice that's just a difference of incentives that I'm not sure at all is beneficial for anything but an authoritarian regime.
hibikir 6 hours ago
One can prefer a regime where it's very hard for people who abuse their power to avoid punishment if it's all public to one where the powerful are emboldened enough to be able to be shameless. Even worse when the shamelessness is seen as the purest display of power, and thus people compete in their public misbehavior. But still, understand that the real barrier to punishment in the first case is not to avoid doing bad things, but to make sure that the witnesses either don't exist, or are too scared to say anything.
A judicial system that actually has no sacred cows would be better in all cases, but the sacred cows everywhere do their best to make sure this doesn't happen.
xanthor 10 hours ago
geysersam 9 hours ago
applicative 9 hours ago
Danox 8 hours ago
That is not to say that in time they’ll start to do many of things that happens in the west where those at the 1% or 2% walk away, in time China may drop down to that level, on the other hand, I would like to believe the United States will start to have the same reaction that the country had when Sputnik went around the Earth and change course and I don’t mean sanctions, tariffs, wars, and threatening neighbors to the north and to the south.
xanthor 8 hours ago
handle584 an hour ago
applicative 9 hours ago
smallmancontrov 8 hours ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_on_Manufactures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics)
Parallel: the industrialization of China for the most part happened after Deng Xiaoping, but are people wrong to credit him for setting the course?
andelink 7 hours ago
smallmancontrov 6 hours ago
rayiner 11 hours ago
yoz-y 11 hours ago
saati 10 hours ago
Danox 9 hours ago
In America, there is one fast food place that does it differently than everyone in the market they don’t franchise and they don’t lease/rent.
They own everything as they expand (the land and the building), which means it’s a little bit slower when you expand, but they don’t care but they are very profitable.
The owner probably gets a call every other week from large equity companies trying to sell them on doing it like everybody else and their pitch they can make you a worldwide company if you just let them in to f you.
Mistletoe 6 hours ago
rayoleary 4 hours ago
geerlingguy 3 hours ago
kevvok 3 hours ago
nunez an hour ago
Brybry 12 hours ago
MediaTek Dimensity 9500 is also manufactured by TSMC N3P process in Taiwan. [2]
There was no world interdependence change (unless one considers China and Taiwan to be the same countries).
[1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-launches-XRing-O3-claim...
[2] https://www.notebookcheck.net/MediaTek-Dimensity-9500-Proces...
szatkus 11 hours ago
Dah00n 11 hours ago
InTheArena 10 hours ago
linkregister 10 hours ago
bryant 10 hours ago
linkregister 10 hours ago
Would Xiaomi or the CCP accept the reputational and legal risk of getting caught with a backdoor? Recall the CCP considered the arrest of the Huawei executive in Canada as an offense against itself.
hedora 10 hours ago
The answer to that question in the US is within epsilon of “no” thanks to the cloud act.
Europe and China have passed similar laws. However, China has a reputation for passing laws then selectively enforcing them. Maybe if you get on the right side of the right party member, the answer might still be “Yes” there.
Anyway, the next question to ask is: Who would I rather backdoor my device?
I doubt the Chinese government cares much about me, and unless I vacation there it’s an international incident if they, say, hack my car and murder me by aiming it at a tree at 95mph, like the CIA apparently does now:
https://www.motor1.com/news/138679/wikileaks-claim-cia-hack-...
Of course, the US government banned cars from China. Presumably this is because they do not have the mandated remote murder network port open, or, if they do, the US doesn’t have the necessary permissions to access it.
holoduke 10 hours ago
hedora 10 hours ago
For instance election tampering in the US is a well-documented thing: However it almost always favors republicans in districts with electronic voting machines that do not generate paper trails.
As for the person you are replying to, their claims have been documented by most media outlets, places like wikileaks, and their claims are backed by US legal requirements to backdoor stuff (like the US Cloud act).
Barrin92 6 hours ago
A bit of selective memory necessary for that take given good old Crypto AG
szatkus 8 hours ago
BiteCode_dev 11 hours ago
Now, if the EU would start make to make chips that have no subsystem to screw me over, that would be something.
graemep 10 hours ago
Why would they not do the same? They are very pro-surveillance for a start.
tensor 10 hours ago
eigenform 8 hours ago
linkregister 10 hours ago
There are accounts of interdiction and post-manufacturing compromises, such as those revealed in the Snowden leaks (2013) and most recently by reporting about the Israeli security services' sabotage of Hezbollah pagers and 2-way radios. These projects didn't expose primary manufacturers to the reputational and legal risk of association.
Until there's evidence of backdoors implanted by these companies, it's better to adopt a "trust but verify" approach and use standard layered security practices to detect intrusion. Conventional network intrusion and insider threat campaigns carry less risk of failure and are simpler and cheaper to execute.
codersfocus 10 hours ago
antonvs 9 hours ago
theteapot 9 hours ago
Dylan16807 9 hours ago
linkregister 4 hours ago
szatkus 8 hours ago
orbital-decay an hour ago
well_ackshually 10 hours ago
gnfargbl 10 hours ago
The fact that the CCP is relaxed about core Chinese companies running their manufacturing in Taiwan might suggest that the CCP considers that it can make China and Taiwan one country, at a time of the CCP's choosing.
amelius 9 hours ago
bdhdhduuyd 9 hours ago
manithree 7 hours ago
pydry 9 hours ago
yieldcrv 9 hours ago
China isn’t going to invade China until after we get our semiconductors up and running in Arizona for real
(because US won’t have to think about that situation ever again)
removing dependence imperils that island, CCP already has an EUV machine so the inevitable sanctions and export controls on ASML’s in Europe won’t matter either
0cf8612b2e1e 8 hours ago
cgio 7 hours ago
0cf8612b2e1e 6 hours ago
yieldcrv 4 hours ago
yeah equity asset values are going to tank but US will get serious about the supply chain immediately (which is already very much in progress), plus all the older nodes to alleviate some pressure off of the active compute demands
m00x 9 hours ago
They would lose all of TSMC if they do any military actions. It's not the fact that the CCP thinks that they can make Taiwan and China a country, it's the the fact that most of China does in fact consider them as one country. Taiwan is ready to defend themselves, but are very happy keeping their relationship with China the way it is.
YetAnotherNick 9 hours ago
Now that US has already opened the gate to labelling nation head as drug seller, this just eases things for China.
conception 8 hours ago
sailfast 7 hours ago
Any period time? US waged war for 20+ years in Afghanistan. Pretty effectively! To what end? Not an end an army can really achieve so… there you are.
But a war that might actually be popular? To save the world from communist dictators and make sure we have chips for our precious devices? I wouldn’t count out the United States. Or nuclear weapons, which still exist and are a thing.
wongarsu 7 hours ago
No guerilla warfare, no insurgents, no need for extended beyond-visual-range warfare that depletes missile stockpiles
fc417fc802 7 hours ago
Was with you until that last one. If you haven't noticed missiles, drones, and interceptors have played a central role in ukraine.
majormajor 6 hours ago
KPGv2 an hour ago
But if you mean in a metaphorical sense, how long until the 7th Fleet could get to Taiwan, the answer is 0 days for first response, 3 days for everything located in Japan, and less than a week for the full mobilization of the 7th Fleet (that's 50+ ships and nearly 30K soldiers). The entire Pacific fleet could be there in a week and a half.
(Granted, we're assuming competent US leadership, which is not the current administration.)
r_lee 7 hours ago
I feel like Russia thought the same of Ukraine, even though it is way bigger
AtlasBarfed 6 hours ago
Taiwan? All surface ships are sitting ducks. Troop transport ships would get absolutely decimated, and then the landing troops would get swarmed by drones all over again, and then they have to maintain logistics to the small minority that land (good luck with that). And that's without naval drones.
With naval drones? I have no idea how China gets anything across the strait.
And all the above is true for a competently organized Chinese invasion. Which it won't be.
decimalenough 9 hours ago
But I agree that pretty much everybody will happily take the status quo over armed invasion.
larodi 6 hours ago
wolvoleo 6 hours ago
And a lot of people are sympathetic with the Chinese, just not their government.
I've only visited Taiwan once and I only have one friend there so perhaps what I'm hearing is not accurate.
tw1984 5 hours ago
CCP is not threatening taiwan because it might go for independence. it is _ALL_ about kicking the US out of the west Pacific. because of that, it is never about what people in Taiwan believe/say/do.
It is only about the military balance of the west Pacific.
> And a lot of people are sympathetic with the Chinese, just not their government.
sympathetic of what?
20 years ago, you might be able to play the "CCP regime repressing the people in China" joke, you can't do it anymore especially in such topic of Taiwan. quality of life is significantly better in literally every aspect in China. Taipei in 2026 is getting more and more like a tier-3 Chinese city in 2016.
wolvoleo 5 hours ago
Even when a country other than the US does something to benefit Taiwan, Beijing is super offended.
And by sympathetic I mean feeling kinship. And the whole concept of bringing everything down to a matter of wealth is so American.
Dylan16807 4 hours ago
They said "quality of life". Even if they had said wealth that correlates with quality of life so that wouldn't be a very good gotcha by itself, but they didn't say that.
AnimalMuppet 4 hours ago
Hardly. It is all about Xi having declared that taking Taiwan by... I think it was 2049, but could be misremembering. Anyway, Xi made that a test of the legitimacy of the CCP, in some very public statements.
So, no, it's not about kicking the US out of the west Pacific. It's about Taiwan, and it's because if they don't, the CCP is illegitimate, by Xi's own word.
KPGv2 an hour ago
nl 3 hours ago
I think you are underestimating Chinese nationalism here quite dramatically!
Chinese views of sovereignty are quite independent of other concerns. Take for example their actions against Vietnam in the South China Sea, forcing Vietnam closer to the Philippines and even the US: https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?articl...
nemosaltat an hour ago
and related to, with all that holds in an Eastern mindset. My adoptive grandmother was born in Shanghai in 1927. To my knowledge she never returned to Mainland China, partially because her relatives wen Telswhere when the communists came in.
edit: fixed one errant `t`
palata 8 hours ago
wongarsu 7 hours ago
But at the same time everyone understands that the Taiwanese would destroy the facilities before they fall into Chinese hands
scarab92 7 hours ago
The talent is still there, so they could rebuild, or recruit the talent to work for Chinese mainland fabs instead?
r_lee 7 hours ago
maybe easier said than done but still
mycall 5 hours ago
golem14 5 hours ago
Dylan16807 4 hours ago
mjevans 3 hours ago
klausa 2 hours ago
Would you voluntarily work in a country that invaded and taken over yours?
Would you ask the same about Russia recruiting Ukrainians?
schrectacular 7 hours ago
mjevans 3 hours ago
Effectively the semantics are like a game of chicken and hostage combined. Might as well be a Prisoner's Dilemma.
deadfoxygrandpa 2 hours ago
dataflow 7 hours ago
ivewonyoung 4 hours ago
axus 8 hours ago
As an American, I found the deference to authority very strange.
RussianBot9580 7 hours ago
actionfromafar 7 hours ago
danparsonson 6 hours ago
Are schoolchildren in the US still required to recite the pledge of allegiance...?
hundchenkatze 2 hours ago
The Supreme Court ruled, in 1943, that it is unconstitutional to compel students to salute the flag and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/319/624.h...
podocarp 3 hours ago
qmr 5 minutes ago
How is that?
Is there an action movie style self destruct sequence?
nl 3 hours ago
This whole idea of collapsing everything to some single semi-military geo-political concern is naive and not at all how the world works.
Of course there are people in China who would prefer Xiaomi did all their manufacturing inside China, and there are others who prefer to build stronger economic ties between Taiwan and China to make Taiwan economically dependent on China.
There are others who want Xiaomi to dominate world mobile markets by any means necessary. There are others who want Xiaomi to make the most profit possible, and still others who want Chinese firms to race to match US companies technology on every dimension.
These concerns are all interlinked and play out over years in lots of micro decisions.
antris 3 hours ago
How do you make one country into one country? It's already one country and is treated as such by even countries that consider China an adversary
KPGv2 an hour ago
Your link does not say what you think it does. My guess is you read the first sentence and saw "one-China police" and stopped. But the US's one-China policy is not the same thing as China's one-China principle.
The US's one-China policy is that (continental) China is a single China governed by the PRC. It's silent on Taiwan. But, considering the laws we have on the books declaring our commitment to ensuring the sovereignty of Taiwan, it's a hard row to hoe to get to "the US considers Taiwan to be territory the PRC has a right to control."
The US has an unofficial relationship with Taiwan simply to shut the CCP up. It's like when your partner is complaining about something you did, silence doesn't mean you agree that you messed up. Sometimes it just means you don't want a fight right now.
csomar 9 hours ago
markdown 9 hours ago
sophrosyne42 7 hours ago
mschuster91 12 hours ago
Dah00n 10 hours ago
chasd00 10 hours ago
dumping is always bad.
Levitz 7 hours ago
It's definitely different when the player doesn't even have to play by the market. Comparing US companies and Chinese companies is not apples to apples.
AngryData 8 hours ago
catigula 11 hours ago
This is so stupid. China itself uses the "dominate and corral" model for their industries, and had severe tariffs to grow their various industrial bases, such as automotive.
germandiago 10 hours ago
If they go too far to impose their system, we stop buying :)
catigula 10 hours ago
This is geopolitics 101; your fantasy version is decades out of date.
xanthor 10 hours ago
catigula 10 hours ago
xanthor 8 hours ago
speed_spread 7 hours ago
cromka 13 hours ago
esperent 13 hours ago
cromka 12 hours ago
rootsudo 12 hours ago
It is very much harder to do now. There is a lot of friction introduced now to it.
05 11 hours ago
Kafka himself would be proud if their unlocking process[0], but technically sure, they allow it
> Press "Apply for unlocking" at exactly 12:00 AM GMT+8 (pressing it too late will cause the "application quota limit reached" error. Use this website to check the time) "Account Error" might show up. If that happens, retry after 10 days
[0] https://github.com/realdtn2/xiaomi-unlocking-rooting-guide
ruszki 10 minutes ago
mrheosuper 3 hours ago
d3Xt3r an hour ago
Take a look at the PostmarketOS Device Wiki[1], you'll see that even phones released 10+ years ago (like Xiaomi Redmi 4) still do not have 100% functionality.
In saying that, in this era of LLMs and reverse-engineering, it may not be long before some of these blockers are reverse-engineered and we might end up with a fully functional Linux distro on older phones like this.
ksec 12 hours ago
throwawayffffas 10 hours ago
camillomiller 9 hours ago
HumblyTossed 7 hours ago
ColdStream 5 hours ago
If you are just using apps, 15 seconds is more than enough to launch and setup an app, for anything more it will be down graded a little.
Still dang impressive but the form factor becomes the limiting factor.
cma an hour ago
KPGv2 an hour ago
vachina an hour ago
Try working in the shade. The max brightness isn’t helping either.
pclmulqdq 40 minutes ago
faitswulff 3 hours ago
strictnein 13 hours ago
I have some server CPUs laying around that can also beat Apple CPUs. But putting them in a compact, densely packed, sealed box (aka a phone) would result in a fireball and almost no battery life.
cyp0633 12 hours ago
StilesCrisis 12 hours ago
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mort96 9 hours ago
zamadatix 12 hours ago
In multicore, sure. In most single threaded workloads as well? That'd be interesting enough on its own, regardless of wattage (though that'd make it even more interesting), as my A19 device gives my overclocked 9800X3D a run for its money (and some losses) in single threaded workloads. Considering that's the only thing the 9800X3D is really targeting, it's impressive beyond just whether or not it does so with less power.
kccqzy 10 hours ago
bigyabai 10 hours ago
mrheosuper 3 hours ago
throwa356262 9 hours ago
Their next Fold phone (TBA September) will use O3. I guess we will find out very soon.
nomendos 5 hours ago
yanhangyhy 3 hours ago
mrheosuper 3 hours ago
dcrazy an hour ago
That difference amounts to who, if anyone, gets the credit for being competitive with Apple.
trvz 13 hours ago
And multithreaded is 10 cores vs 6 cores.
I appreciate Apple being kept on their feet, but they're not dethroned yet.
nerdsniper 14 hours ago
XRing O3 AnTuTu: 5.5 million
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M5 iPad Geekbench Single-Core: 3,556
M5 Max Geekbench Single-Core: 4,300
XRing O3 Geekbench Single-Core: 3,945
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M5 iPad Geekbench Multi-Core: 15,285
M5 Max Geekbench Multi-Core: 29,200
XRing O3 Geekbench Multi-Core: 15,221
throwa356262 13 hours ago
nerdsniper 12 hours ago
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TiredOfLife 11 hours ago
throwa356262 9 hours ago
wtallis 7 hours ago
wmf 7 hours ago
comboy 13 hours ago
culi 12 hours ago
rshm 9 hours ago
culi 7 hours ago
I believe the theoretical maximum yield for multi-patterning DUV at 5nm and 7nm is 30-40%
It's not economically sustainable/viable long term. China is only doing it because they've been forced to by the trade war Trump started against them in his first term (Biden didn't really back down either and now Trump 2 tried to ramp it up even higher). China is okay with such low yields because its supposed to be a temporary solution until they achieve domestic EUV tech.
amluto 26 minutes ago
kajaktum 4 hours ago
LPisGood 12 hours ago
subscribed 11 hours ago
Modern processor without memory tagging for example is a little..... dated, given how much the new AIs accelerated the vulnerability discovery in all the apps and system components.
LPisGood 11 hours ago
subscribed 8 hours ago
Or maybe that security doesn't have a practical application?
lukan 8 hours ago
MBCook 11 hours ago
I’m sure Apple’s chips could do better in single core if they were willing to push the power envelope way higher too.
Multi-core is easy to beat, just add more cores until you win. There were already chips that beat the M series just by having way more threads/cores.
dannyw 2 hours ago
(Seriously, they rely on air cooling for Neo and MBA — these chips hit 105deg easily and throttle, intentionally)
Adding a thermal pad to a Neo or MacBook Air gives significant boosts peak and sustained performance; whether in benchmarks or real world video renders; but it also reduces your battery life by a little, as there’s less thermal throttling forcing wattage down.
And no, the battery is not connected to the chassis (heatsink), it doesn’t have increased temps.
maxglute 10 hours ago
throwaw12 13 hours ago
For example, I consider Meta as bigger threat to society, than Xiaomi, DeepSeek, z.ai and other top Chinese companies (haven't used Chinese social media, so can't comment about its content)
ford 12 hours ago
I'm right there with you questioning Meta's value for society, but I do believe it has less opportunity for abuse/manipulation
throwaw12 11 hours ago
I don't care about internal politics of a state, as long as they are not killing people deliberately on a daily basis or invading other countries and killing their people.
How government is structured is up to Chinese people to decide
> Would you feel differently if scale was reversed and Meta was the upstart trying to compete with Xiaomi/etc?
It's not only about scale and upstart, it's also about how much are they harming society.
aaroninsf 11 hours ago
creaturemachine 11 hours ago
apparent 11 hours ago
throwaw12 10 hours ago
Same is very difficult to do in China (look what happened to Jack Ma) or in Europe, because you have to follow some regulations
wmf 7 hours ago
Alien1Being 13 hours ago
"WSJ
I Test Drove a Chinese EV. Now I Don't Want to Buy American Cars Anymore.
https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/chinese-ev-test-drive...
"
warkdarrior 12 hours ago
testing22321 12 hours ago
They know they are inferior, and choose not to compete, just lobby for more regulations to keep competitors out. Free market, haha.
dirck-norman 11 hours ago
250 billion in EV subsidies from China. 10 billion by the U.S.
testing22321 11 hours ago
oblio 11 hours ago
fedpost 11 hours ago
thefourthchime 11 hours ago
Dylan16807 9 hours ago
runako 11 hours ago
Didn't Tesla essentially stay afloat for years via government subsidies (e.g. government-mandated carbon credits)?
Didn't the US only recently end its direct subsidies for EV buyers?
Don't US taxpayers provide an enormous ongoing subsidy to ICE vehicles by underwriting the security of the oilfields in the Gulf?
Don't US taxpayers in effect subsidize US automakers by ensuring they do not have to compete in the market with the best available vehicles?
More to the point: American free-marketeerism was never about the other side, it was about the US living its own professed values at home. We didn't shackle our press in discussions about the USSR because the USSR chose to shackle its own press. Our lockout of Chinese EVs rankles in part because it's a deviation, at home, from our own professed values.
dirck-norman 9 hours ago
Adding carbon credits the U.S. is close to 20 billion in EV subsidies.
The ENTIRE EU spent 125 billion.
China supplied 250 billion to a 400 billion dollar industry and is facing overproduction. It’s dishonest to say it’s the same.
Free market capitalism isn’t binary. If that’s what you think, you’re gravely misinformed.
Dylan16807 9 hours ago
The subsidies were around 25% of sales in 2018 and have dropped down to about 10%.
And of that 250 billion, half is a sales tax exemption and a quarter is purchase rebates. That bulk of the money doesn't lead to unfair competition.
https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dil...
runako 8 hours ago
I literally didn't say that it was?
In any case, the point is that the US also subsidizes markets, including the auto markets. China is far from unique in this. As you say, free market capitalism isn't binary, and in this case all parties are subsidizing to some degree.
dirck-norman 8 hours ago
> and in this case all parties are subsidizing to some degree.
Textbook false equivalence.
maxglute 8 hours ago
Direct producer subsidies for PRC EV was <100B, less than US injected into US auto, not much more than Euro auto. The latter just poorly, i.e. pork barrel / jobs programs that does not raise baseline competitiveness.
Most of CSIS muh PRC 200b-400b includes rebates/taxes AND subsidies to upstream, i.e. battery industry which used more than cars. AKA they bundled energy sector to skew PRC numbers.
For comparable you'd have to include all historic US/EU auto subsidies, AND ASSOCIATED upstream subsidies like MOST OF fossil industry, related diesel/fuel discounts... etc etc in which case US/EU have been rebating to the tune of trillions.
Strict auto-auto sector equivalence = PRC subsidized less to commoditize their car industry in fraction of time, which is not remotely "overproduction", they still barely exports 20%... they'd have to export 50/75%+ to reach shares of EU/JP/SKR etc and even then those absurd export%s not treated as overproduction. PRC would need to be exporting ~20m more cars then they do now to even qualify.
Auto+energy sector equivalence (the 200-400b figure), PRC not even on the axis in equivalence scenario.
E:cleaner language
nerdsniper 8 hours ago
bpfrh 8 hours ago
EV incentives where also not limited to us companies.
runako 8 hours ago
gpt5 7 hours ago
runako 7 hours ago
You're also ignoring the most important point, my last point about values. The comment is still up, feel free to re-read it.
cpursley 10 hours ago
7734128 10 hours ago
Source: same as yours
asadotzler 8 hours ago
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thefourthchime 11 hours ago
ilyassanida 10 hours ago
ColdStream 5 hours ago
weezing 10 hours ago
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alasano 8 hours ago
No idea about reliability or anything else but just as pure tech demos they seem incredible.
ColdStream 5 hours ago
tambourine_man 12 hours ago
I’m pretty sure they will, as they have, like clockwork, in the same month, for over a decade.
Schiendelman 12 hours ago
smith7018 11 hours ago
otterley 14 hours ago
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simjnd 11 hours ago
Of course it will be in Android phones so it will be throttle hard past 4W and will have terrible drivers.
I wish phones moved to HPB packaging and active cooling so we could have sustained 10W and use them as light workstations.
snowram 11 hours ago
simjnd 10 hours ago
It's still PoP with the RAM stacked on top in a plastic casing so you need a pretty big fan to cool it since you have to go through insulating plastic, then the RAM to get to the CPU.
With a HPB packaging you can cool the CPU directly and could theoretically get the same amount of cooling power with a much smaller fan that could be integrated into a thing smartphone (à la RedMagic).
lostmsu 9 hours ago
simjnd 9 hours ago
jayd16 4 hours ago
yaro330 13 hours ago
bee_rider 12 hours ago
What OS will these chips run and what is the competition on that platform? He makes a lot of comparisons to AMD and Intel in the post, why not benchmark against them?
MBCook 11 hours ago
Do you want to compare to Intel/AMD? If these are destined for phones that’s not a useful comparison by your metric.
mschuetz 11 hours ago
mrheosuper 3 hours ago
jorvi 10 hours ago
throwa356262 10 hours ago
His current laptop is an Intel laptop.
RossBencina 2 hours ago
sinuhe69 5 hours ago
dfedbeef 13 hours ago
angry_octet 8 hours ago
See eg LoongLeak and the Loongson processor: https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity26/presentat...
Alpha3031 6 hours ago
waazy 13 hours ago
ChuckMcM 7 hours ago
cherioo 10 hours ago
pranav_tech26 7 hours ago
Melatonic an hour ago
nazgulsenpai 12 hours ago
Also, here's to hoping we get some relatively competitive Chinese DRAM flooding the consumer market someday soon.
maxglute 10 hours ago
ezekiel68 9 hours ago
"This will all turn out well," they said.
trynumber9 9 hours ago
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russli1993 2 hours ago